From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,INVALID_MSGID, REPLYTO_WITHOUT_TO_CC autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: fac41,b87849933931bc93 X-Google-Attributes: gidfac41,public X-Google-Thread: 109fba,b87849933931bc93 X-Google-Attributes: gid109fba,public X-Google-Thread: 11cae8,b87849933931bc93 X-Google-Attributes: gid11cae8,public X-Google-Thread: 1108a1,b87849933931bc93 X-Google-Attributes: gid1108a1,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,b87849933931bc93 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Thread: 114809,b87849933931bc93 X-Google-Attributes: gid114809,public X-Google-Thread: f43e6,b87849933931bc93 X-Google-Attributes: gidf43e6,public From: Tore Lund Subject: Re: What is wrong with OO ? Date: 1996/12/28 Message-ID: <32C539F2.2956@sn.no>#1/1 X-Deja-AN: 206413722 references: <32A4659D.347A@shef.ac.uk> <32A71BC6.2D857063@arscorp.com> <32A82AFE.255A@possibility.com> <58bq8c$3n6@news.utdallas.edu> <32AA207E.3199@deep.net> <32B3F45C.5140@deep.net> <32B81DA7.6D08@deep.net> <59vr2s$55r@masters0.InterNex.Net> <32C3E34F.5DC5@sn.no> <5a29qn$hb2@masters0.InterNex.Net> content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii organization: SN Internett mime-version: 1.0 reply-to: tl001@sn.no newsgroups: comp.lang.c++,comp.lang.smalltalk,comp.lang.eiffel,comp.lang.ada,comp.lnag.java,comp.object,comp.software-eng x-mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) Date: 1996-12-28T00:00:00+00:00 List-Id: clovis@wartech.com wrote: > > In <32C3E34F.5DC5@sn.no>, Tore Lund writes: > >>Finally a voice of reason (etc.) > > Why, Thanks, Tore! I've been around the block a few times, and it > sounds as though you have been as well. Just for the record: I am one of those lone developers who would like to use OO or functional languages but cannot do so because they never really get off the ground. Small-time customers want standards, and you cannot sell them Eiffel or Miranda as a standard when 4GLs do all they ever want to do in a cheaper and more portable way. I hope that Java will change this. But if so happens, it will be due to popular demand and a great user base rather than to any intrinsic properties of Java itself. One problem with OO and other paradigms is that they are never exposed to the merciless criticism of a demanding marketplace and the consequent effort to satisfy customers. Still, I make my living from programs that remedy the shortcomings of 4GLs, so maybe I should not complain. But it makes me feel more like a scavenger than like the craftsman I would like to be. Tore -- Tore Lund