From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,INVALID_MSGID, REPLYTO_WITHOUT_TO_CC autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 11cae8,b87849933931bc93 X-Google-Attributes: gid11cae8,public X-Google-Thread: 1108a1,b87849933931bc93 X-Google-Attributes: gid1108a1,public X-Google-Thread: 114809,b87849933931bc93 X-Google-Attributes: gid114809,public X-Google-Thread: fac41,b87849933931bc93 X-Google-Attributes: gidfac41,public X-Google-Thread: 109fba,b87849933931bc93 X-Google-Attributes: gid109fba,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,b87849933931bc93 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Thread: f43e6,b87849933931bc93 X-Google-Attributes: gidf43e6,public From: Roger Vossler Subject: Re: What is wrong with OO ? Date: 1996/12/10 Message-ID: <32AE43EB.7A0B@csn.net>#1/1 X-Deja-AN: 203446377 references: <32A4659D.347A@shef.ac.uk> <32a5ceba.81462731@news.nstn.ca> <32A885CF.5530@csn.net> <32a98036.46416970@news.nstn.ca> content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii organization: Vivien Group mime-version: 1.0 reply-to: vossler@csn.net newsgroups: comp.lang.c++,comp.lang.smalltalk,comp.lang.eiffel,comp.lang.ada,comp.lnag.java,comp.object,comp.software-eng x-mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Date: 1996-12-10T00:00:00+00:00 List-Id: Tom Bushell wrote: > 1. The design/implementation dichotomy that works well in other > engineering disciplines does not map to software. > > 2. The design representations advocated by the gurus are not > appropriate or sufficient for real systems - they don't map to the > "code" in a useful way. > > Think we've got a new thread here - "What's wrong with formal design?" > > -Tom As far as point 1 is concerned, I would like to known more about where engineering design/implementation dichotomy breaks down with software. OTOH, I have no doubt that software could use a strong dose of engineering discipline. Concerning point 2: wow, is this ever true. I read the books and papers by the gurus and then program using several different languages, frameworks, IDEs, etc. with the result that it takes real work to bridge the gap. A lot of arm waving takes place between OOA/D and working with a real system. Roger Vossler, vossler@csn.net