From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,INVALID_MSGID autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: fac41,953e1a6689d791f6 X-Google-Attributes: gidfac41,public X-Google-Thread: 109fba,953e1a6689d791f6 X-Google-Attributes: gid109fba,public X-Google-Thread: fdb77,953e1a6689d791f6 X-Google-Attributes: gidfdb77,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,953e1a6689d791f6 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Thread: 1108a1,953e1a6689d791f6 X-Google-Attributes: gid1108a1,public X-Google-Thread: f79bb,953e1a6689d791f6 X-Google-Attributes: gidf79bb,public X-Google-Thread: 10a640,953e1a6689d791f6 X-Google-Attributes: gid10a640,public X-Google-Thread: 114809,953e1a6689d791f6 X-Google-Attributes: gid114809,public From: Ranjan Bagchi Subject: Re: Eiffel and Java Date: 1996/11/01 Message-ID: <327A5003.464A@pobox.com>#1/1 X-Deja-AN: 193744336 references: <55303v$ie9@Masala.CC.UH.EDU> <01bbc7f6$b1c0b7a0$LocalHost@gaijin> content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii organization: Concentric Internet Services mime-version: 1.0 newsgroups: comp.lang.eiffel,comp.lang.ada,comp.lang.sather,comp.object,comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.lang.c++,comp.lang.smalltalk,comp.lang.clos,fr.comp.objet x-mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win95; I) Date: 1996-11-01T00:00:00+00:00 List-Id: Chris wrote: > > The point with Java is that it's nearly C++. > > So, even if it's not the best language, the C++ community would choose it > > That's enough to make it a standard ! > > Chris Note: Smalltalk bias. I'd think that this kind standard would tend to produce a lot of Java code which is just "C++ written in Java". That is C++ code with whatever syntactic tweaking is needed to get it pass the compiler. This is similar to what has happened in the C++ community where the joke was that there were only 5 real C++ programmers and everyone else was just coding C. There wasn't enough incentive to use the kind of C++ idioms that Coplien and Myers write about in their books. That's what's really neat about languages like Smalltalk where the language forces programmers to start thinking in Smalltalk's object model and produce Smalltalk written in Smalltalk. -rj