From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FORGED_GMAIL_RCVD, FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: a07f3367d7,3025dd6d917b499c X-Google-Attributes: gida07f3367d7,public,usenet X-Google-NewGroupId: yes X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit Received: by 10.224.220.12 with SMTP id hw12mr10145096qab.8.1350418518946; Tue, 16 Oct 2012 13:15:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.96.71 with SMTP id dq7mr2610590vdb.11.1350418518873; Tue, 16 Oct 2012 13:15:18 -0700 (PDT) Path: r17ni36921179qap.0!nntp.google.com!l8no2372510qao.0!postnews.google.com!glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 13:15:18 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=74.112.164.130; posting-account=UbOi7woAAAAaG0ACvpOvUkhmBbyzfyXO NNTP-Posting-Host: 74.112.164.130 References: <38af7fb8-b0a4-4a31-87aa-b7b698cc89c3@googlegroups.com> <3ca0ffd0-1764-484b-8fab-17c0d2dd9463@googlegroups.com> <1f645050-cf4c-40bf-a797-9687b69e4a54@googlegroups.com> <18ats2960nsvm$.kfufsnul13aq$.dlg@40tude.net> <5072c9ae$0$6562$9b4e6d93@newsspool4.arcor-online.net> <4keoa6epdxt7.1nnwxy7v7ar90.dlg@40tude.net> <5072dc68$0$6554$9b4e6d93@newsspool4.arcor-online.net> <1f7cmfp1l65w1.1deog8cfxbs0u$.dlg@40tude.net> <5072e37a$0$6556$9b4e6d93@newsspool4.arcor-online.net> User-Agent: G2/1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <2f2c8a6f-e00a-4a05-b760-73582649a3c0@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Ada, the best language with the not-so-best tool chain From: phone.john.kern@gmail.com Cc: mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de Injection-Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:15:18 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: 2012-10-16T13:15:18-07:00 List-Id: On Thursday, October 11, 2012 11:22:33 AM UTC-4, (unknown) wrote: > On Monday, October 8, 2012 11:22:37 AM UTC-7, Dmitry A. Kazakov wrote: >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > Why are people so obsessed with ARM? You could have a decent Atom-based >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > board for same money. AMD Geode LX could be an alternative. >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > =20 >=20 > > Anyway, the thingy should run Linux. I believe there was a GNAT for ARM >=20 > >=20 >=20 > > somewhere. Maybe others could point out its status. >=20 > =20 >=20 > I'm late to this discussion, but your comment is really out of touch with= a vast segment of the embedded world. ARM is everywhere, with perhaps a d= ozen or more sources of ucontrollers not including captive sources. Even t= he lowest end parts run near 50MHz and have good amounts of memory, but not= hing close to what would be required for Linux. Ada can certainly run on t= hese parts (how much memory did the MIL-STD-1750A designs have 20-25 years = ago?) This is an enormous untapped market, and a lot of us wonder why the = heck it is being ignored. >=20 >=20 >=20 > Furthermore, it is a market where the next generation of students and hob= byists are moving to. Arduino has been very big, and it is now expanding t= o 32 bits. ST sells development boards for $10-$15 built around very powerf= ul ARM parts. This level of hardware is begging for Ada support, but it's n= ot there. If people could program this level of hardware in Ada they'd qui= ckly come to appreciate the vast advantage Ada offers in embedded & realtim= e work. I can't fathom why GNAT and Ada supporters don't want to get on bo= ard. http://libre.adacore.com/academia/mindstorms/