From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Received: by 10.36.26.8 with SMTP id 8mr5531882iti.27.1516826092640; Wed, 24 Jan 2018 12:34:52 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.157.43.61 with SMTP id o58mr737158otb.10.1516826092338; Wed, 24 Jan 2018 12:34:52 -0800 (PST) Path: eternal-september.org!reader01.eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!news.linkpendium.com!news.linkpendium.com!news.snarked.org!border2.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!g80no223757itg.0!news-out.google.com!b73ni9779ita.0!nntp.google.com!w142no224212ita.0!postnews.google.com!glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2018 12:34:51 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=2a02:c7d:3c35:b000:325a:3aff:fe0f:37a5; posting-account=L2-UcQkAAAAfd_BqbeNHs3XeM0jTXloS NNTP-Posting-Host: 2a02:c7d:3c35:b000:325a:3aff:fe0f:37a5 References: <942235344.537649945.074508.laguest-archeia.com@nntp.aioe.org> <288039467.538377555.666858.laguest-archeia.com@nntp.aioe.org> <62033550-4044-450b-9010-beba11f99f4e@googlegroups.com> User-Agent: G2/1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <2d9ffdfe-bfcc-4d9c-b1ff-c402565d098c@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Five Years After From: Lucretia Injection-Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2018 20:34:52 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Xref: reader02.eternal-september.org comp.lang.ada:50121 Date: 2018-01-24T12:34:51-08:00 List-Id: On Wednesday, 24 January 2018 19:06:52 UTC, Simon Clubley wrote: > >> I'm a in position to talk, and I know peanuts about Oberon, but can I= ask you something... What is "core" for you ? Is tasking part of it ? Full= -featured generics ? Support for exceptions or clause representations ? Cla= ss-wide programming and interfaces ? Or what do you not feel as essential ? I based on Oberon, the syntax needs to be massaged to take away the Wirthia= nisms that are just horrible. i.e. Uppercase keywords, ; or . and being opt= ional or not, begin...end everywhere adding bulk. > > I rather agree; but if there was a small "core" replacement for C, I th= ink it would have to be (1) representation clauses, (2) tasking, and (3) ge= nerics. >=20 > Tasking is a really big problem here - it requires a lot of RTL/OS suppor= t. True, but at least you don't have to mess about with pthreads and not know = if something's going to work or not. Having an abstracted tasking mechanism= also adds to portability. =20 > The language is great but the compiler situation is absolutely _horrible_= . It's a total mess. =20 > The compilers are only available for a limited number of platforms, As was pointed out in that reddit thread, just look at the targets supporte= d by Lazarus. > code written in the freely available Adacore compiler (not FSF compiler) > is subject to mandatory licencing under the GPL, and the full language > is so heavy that writing a full Ada compiler from scratch is a massive > undertaking. Yup. =20 > There is however a small core in the Ada language that could bring > benefits elsewhere but without all the overhead of a full blown > Ada implementation. >=20 > When talking about a C replacement, you need: >=20 I agree with all those points, plus 6) Be able to use multiple backends so it's more portable to other targets,= i.e. iOS, Android, Switch, PS4 (all using LLVM). Luke.