From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Received: by 2002:a24:4689:: with SMTP id j131-v6mr9104777itb.55.1528077672875; Sun, 03 Jun 2018 19:01:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 2002:aca:eb85:: with SMTP id j127-v6mr523122oih.13.1528077672666; Sun, 03 Jun 2018 19:01:12 -0700 (PDT) Path: eternal-september.org!reader01.eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!border1.nntp.ams1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!npeer.de.kpn-eurorings.net!npeer-ng0.de.kpn-eurorings.net!peer03.ams1!peer.ams1.xlned.com!news.xlned.com!peer03.am4!peer.am4.highwinds-media.com!peer02.iad!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!v8-v6no4700729itc.0!news-out.google.com!z3-v6ni64iti.0!nntp.google.com!u74-v6no4707227itb.0!postnews.google.com!glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2018 19:01:12 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87ed9cd4-f00a-4324-ad60-8fb1eeaa3eb4@googlegroups.com> Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=119.247.91.190; posting-account=FIrIqgoAAAAbYWMmVdbV5-vsuCUTq8lA NNTP-Posting-Host: 119.247.91.190 References: <5e86db65-84b9-4b5b-9aea-427a658b5ae7@googlegroups.com> <710c0764-bd2a-4b60-a4c2-ae1f0cfba4e7@googlegroups.com> <87zi0b1x1e.fsf@nightsong.com> <87ed9cd4-f00a-4324-ad60-8fb1eeaa3eb4@googlegroups.com> User-Agent: G2/1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <2d0afdd3-4451-4fb4-a197-5650e92c6c57@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Ada Successor Language From: ric.wai88@gmail.com Injection-Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2018 02:01:12 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Received-Bytes: 3084 X-Received-Body-CRC: 3462688423 Xref: reader02.eternal-september.org comp.lang.ada:52900 Date: 2018-06-03T19:01:12-07:00 List-Id: On Sunday, June 3, 2018 at 7:56:05 PM UTC-4, Dan'l Miller wrote: > Job postings are a moderately good leading indicator. Job postings from = defense contractors in the Dallas & Fort Worth, Texas, metropolitan area fa= ll into 3 categories: > 1) Java, Java, everywhere, including non-UI/UX embedded systems. > 2) C/C++ for embedded hard-realtime. > 3) Ada-to-C++ conversion to decommission Ada systems. >=20 > In recent months, I haven't seen =E2=80=A2any=E2=80=A2 Ada-only or you're= -going-to-author-Ada-source-code job postings at DoD/aerospace companies lo= cally here. And that includes the local facilities for Raytheon, Boeing, R= ockwell Collins, L3, General Dynamics, Northrup Grumman, and Textron Vaught= Bell helicopters. There are a few studies out there that have shown training new hires in Ada= is very easy, and is much easier than trying to find programmers already p= roficient in Ada. Of course the money-driven defence industry would rather = hire a bunch of cheap young people than older experienced people. I also do= Ada training, and I concur that it is quite easy to do. We also don't expl= icitly require Ada on our job applications, since most universities don't t= each Ada (unfortunately), and we're not working in aerospace. So I personally don't think that the job postings not including Ada as a re= quirement really means, definitively, that these companies are not using Ad= a anymore. Ada is technically superior in many cases, and this has to be a = consideration for some of the more competent managers, however rare they ma= y be.=20