From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_40 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: 103376,11414a19b0e4a97a X-Google-NewGroupId: yes X-Google-Attributes: gida07f3367d7,domainid0,public,usenet X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit Path: g2news2.google.com!news4.google.com!feeder.news-service.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed5.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!news.wiretrip.org!news.dizum.com!sewer-output!mail2news From: George Orwell Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Advice on selling Ada to a C shop References: <87631dmdmz.fsf@ludovic-brenta.org> Message-ID: <2bb211f057648e4d892829e5ee79e34c@mixmaster.it> Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 11:22:11 +0200 (CEST) Mail-To-News-Contact: abuse@dizum.com Organization: mail2news@dizum.com Xref: g2news2.google.com comp.lang.ada:12816 Date: 2010-06-21T11:22:11+02:00 List-Id: > So, I think the proper approach is to debunk their irrational fears of > Ada and expose the real cost of bugs in the C software, which they have > been ignoring up to now. Show them that no, C is not "good enough". I'm going to continue to play the devil's advocate only because I was recently involved in a debacle along these lines. Whatever they have is good enough. There are very few companies today, even software companies, that have not decided bugs, even serious bugs, are just a fact of life. They accept they're going to anger or even lose some percent of customers, but this is factored in to their financial plans. Quality no longer matters, what matters is how much money we can soak you for this quarter and how long we can get away with it. Good enough is good enough, and being the best or putting out a product with no known bugs that can't be circumvented is no longer on radar. A lot of this has come from the poor quality of PC software (Windows) which filtered up even to large platforms. Companies that years ago hired the best people and wanted to put out the best products are now run by myopic managers who think salesmen are the actual product, not software. They just sell all they can, and if something goes wrong at a customer site they try to fix it, but oh well if we caused you a problem that's life. All the big companies are moving to offshore "talent" (cheap) and all the real talent is dying by attrition. And if you don't like what we have, it doesn't really matter, because believe us, we checked, and the whole industry is moving towards a calculated lowest common denominator of quality- as little as possible and still stay in business- until we can find our next job. Our code sucks, but so does theirs...but guess what? We can give you the best terms on the shit we're peddling. 90 day net to qualified buyers... Il mittente di questo messaggio|The sender address of this non corrisponde ad un utente |message is not related to a real reale ma all'indirizzo fittizio|person but to a fake address of an di un sistema anonimizzatore |anonymous system Per maggiori informazioni |For more info https://www.mixmaster.it