From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Received: by 2002:a6b:9fc4:: with SMTP id i187-v6mr2268531ioe.28.1529034098018; Thu, 14 Jun 2018 20:41:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 2002:aca:1a18:: with SMTP id a24-v6mr288503oia.5.1529034097677; Thu, 14 Jun 2018 20:41:37 -0700 (PDT) Path: eternal-september.org!reader01.eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!feeder4.usenet.farm!feed.usenet.farm!feeder.usenetexpress.com!feeder-in1.iad1.usenetexpress.com!border1.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!u78-v6no1491291itb.0!news-out.google.com!z3-v6ni1838iti.0!nntp.google.com!d7-v6no1509229itj.0!postnews.google.com!glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2018 20:41:37 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=2a02:c7d:3c35:b000:325a:3aff:fe0f:37a5; posting-account=L2-UcQkAAAAfd_BqbeNHs3XeM0jTXloS NNTP-Posting-Host: 2a02:c7d:3c35:b000:325a:3aff:fe0f:37a5 References: <5e86db65-84b9-4b5b-9aea-427a658b5ae7@googlegroups.com> <878t7u1cfm.fsf@nightsong.com> <8a65f8ff-4a75-43f2-884c-6872780f7ea8@googlegroups.com> <771e8e35-b71a-499d-a0fe-bb0df1de22ab@googlegroups.com> <92741619.550509671.540055.laguest-archeia.com@nntp.aioe.org> <81e22064-bb0e-4e0b-982a-c17a2cad5977@googlegroups.com> <1b03e4ff-daf1-4c13-84ef-13aec1ba96e9@googlegroups.com> User-Agent: G2/1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <286c1b59-9e40-4006-a04f-f869d6a05bed@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Ada Successor Language From: Lucretia Injection-Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2018 03:41:37 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Xref: reader02.eternal-september.org comp.lang.ada:53110 Date: 2018-06-14T20:41:37-07:00 List-Id: On Thursday, 14 June 2018 22:00:24 UTC+1, Randy Brukardt wrote: > "Shark8" <> wrote in message=20 > news:1b03e4ff-daf1-4c13-84ef-13aec1ba96e9@googlegroups.com... > >IMO, the rise to prominence of Unix and C [and arguably C++] is the wors= t=20 > >thing that happened TBH, standardising on an OS API is not a bad idea, the fact they did it bas= ed on C and it's issues was a bad idea. The fact that Unix *was* originally= open and availbale to pretty much all was a good thing, but when AT&T (I t= hink) who revoked that, not a good move. > >"advanced" continuous integration, or the cost of using the FS as a DB, = or=20 > >the costs of > >moronically considering unstructured text as THE appropriate/native form= at=20 > >for storing > >programs]. >=20 > While I agree with your basic premise, I'm dubious that there is a better= =20 > format than unstructured text for programs. There were many such=20 > alternatives explored in the 1980's, and they all had the property of mak= ing=20 > editing more complex. (I tried one for a while when a vendor wanted us to= =20 I agree that the whole idea that the source should be a DB is a bad idea fr= om the outset. The idea of the APSE was hated from the outset, pretty much = every idea that Shark8 has about bringing Ada "back" is from the original b= ad ideas that everyone hated and there are numerous papers on what was bad = at the time. Time to move on and not repeat the mistakes of the past, espec= ially where Ada is concerned. Luke.