From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_20 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,28cd155693714664 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2002-06-16 11:28:45 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: mjsilva697@earthlink.net (Mike Silva) Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Faulty languages and Liability Date: 16 Jun 2002 11:28:44 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Message-ID: <27085883.0206161028.276e62e4@posting.google.com> References: <3D0C7C0B.5000707@mail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.179.251.129 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1024252125 6704 127.0.0.1 (16 Jun 2002 18:28:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Jun 2002 18:28:45 GMT Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:26081 Date: 2002-06-16T18:28:45+00:00 List-Id: Hyman Rosen wrote in message news:<3D0C7C0B.5000707@mail.com>... > Robert C. Leif wrote: > > I was hoping to find a lawyer to speak on software product liability > > It's a pretty sad state of affairs when you are reduced to trying > to force people to use Ada at the point of a gun. Which of course nobody is trying to do. However, consider: It's a pretty sad state of affairs when you are reduced to trying to force people to use safety glass in automobile windows at the point of a gun. It's a pretty sad state of affairs when you are reduced to trying to force people to manufacture children's sleepwear from nonflamable materials at the point of a gun. It's a pretty sad state of affairs when you are reduced to trying to force people to build earthquake-resistant structures in earthquake areas at the point of a gun. Ad infinitum... So, forcing people to use appropriate tools, techniques and materials, for public safety and welfare, is not always considered a sad state of affairs. > I also point out to you that when your house is broken into or your > car is stolen, you're not going to have any luck suing the makers > of the locks. A better analogy is when your car catches fire while driving down the road. Lots of people have had -lots- of luck suing auto manufacturers for faulty products, especially when the fault was caused by using techniques or materials which are -known- to have fundamental flaws, and for which there clearly exist better alternatives. > > If I was sued becuase I didn't use Ada, Nobody is proposing that. > I would point out to the > jury the results of using Ada on the Ariane 5. You may think it's > unfair, but, ladies and gentlemen of the jury, my worthy opponent > wants my client to use software which demonstrably resulted in > millions of dollars of damage and loss. What, exactly, were the "results of using Ada" on the Ariane 5? I know you don't like it when people resort to stupid anti-C++ comments to make a point, so don't resort to stupid anti-Ada comments to make your point, if you want to be taken seriously on cla. Mike