From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, REPLYTO_WITHOUT_TO_CC autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: 103376,afb4d45672b1e262 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit Path: g2news1.google.com!news3.google.com!news4.google.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news.karotte.org!uucp.gnuu.de!newsfeed.arcor.de!news.arcor.de!not-for-mail From: "Dmitry A. Kazakov" Subject: Re: Making money on open source, if not by selling _support_, then how? Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada User-Agent: 40tude_Dialog/2.0.14.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de Organization: cbb software GmbH References: <7NOdne-iYtWmIafZnZ2dnUVZ_tWdnZ2d@megapath.net> <292bf$443bb4e4$45491254$20549@KNOLOGY.NET> <1oc8e78n8ow5e.1mhfktiyo0wur$.dlg@40tude.net> <_pd0g.5775$yQ.1726@trnddc07> <1x8oeb12n9s76$.1msb6vrl8k885$.dlg@40tude.net> <1145192585.9496.29.camel@localhost.localdomain> Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 19:59:50 +0200 Message-ID: <2429o5my9o4z.lue7cfjzu0nd$.dlg@40tude.net> NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Apr 2006 19:59:44 MEST NNTP-Posting-Host: 4e20c10a.newsread2.arcor-online.net X-Trace: DXC=?LnLbA\cZg<49B_U7Ob821Q5U85hF6f;4jW\KbG]kaM8AV6U:Z=fE=?XN\`bbnNXT?[6LHn;2LCV>[ On Sun, 16 Apr 2006 15:03:05 +0200, Georg Bauhaus wrote: > On Sun, 2006-04-16 at 12:53 +0200, Dmitry A. Kazakov wrote: >> this is easily verifiable by observing growth >>> rate of publically available open source software. >> >> ... which bears all signs of pop-culture, by the way. Public involvement >> destroys quality and even common sense. Turn MTV on, if you want an >> example. Openness /= direct democracy. > > pop-culture /= Public involvement, Public involvement is the driving force behind the pop-culture. > and open source does > not imply absence of project rules. > Open source software does not by itself define how a project > is run, obviously. Exactly >> They could become managers, >> advocates instead. > > Could you elaborate a bit how they could do this, and why they > would want to do this? Why shouldn't they? People adapt quickly. Their goals are formed by the society. There always will be a pair of idiots working on compilers in their spare time, but you cannot rely on exceptions. >> The attitude "it is no matter how much we pay them, because they would do >> the work anyway" is deeply rooted in both systems. This is why quality >> suffers. > > OK, some people want to maintain the impression that their high > pay is justified. I'm not blaming them. But on which facts could we > build a hypothesis that high wages guarantee high quality? Not wages, but differentiation of according to individual contribution. > Conversely, can you provide evidence that lower wages warrant lower > quality of software? There are strong historical evidences that lack of differentiation leads to lower quality. Former SU suffered this problem. Economics based slavery did. -- Regards, Dmitry A. Kazakov http://www.dmitry-kazakov.de