From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,INVALID_DATE autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Path: utzoo!attcan!uunet!cs.utexas.edu!usc!henry.jpl.nasa.gov!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!gryphon!pnet02!bagpiper From: bagpiper@pnet02.gryphon.com (Michael Hunter) Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: A farewell to Ada Message-ID: <22570@gryphon.COM> Date: 22 Nov 89 05:21:11 GMT Sender: root@gryphon.COM Organization: People-Net [pnet02], Redondo Beach, CA. List-Id: I have noticed many people including MANY lines of text that they do not comment on and that do not help context...can I please ask you to be nice to your neighbors and please cut out unneeded text!! ted@grebyn.com (Ted Holden) writes: >>"...the use of Ada resulted in a 12% increase in productivity over >>assembly language and 27% over C." (That is the single most concise >>condemnation of C I have ever seen... :-) > >Again subjective, again rubbish. I've heard too many people say that >their projects simply could not be written in Ada at all, that the >inherent clunk factor is just too great. If the numbers above are hard stats then they are not rubbish!! Since Ada is turing complete (as is every other modern HOL I can think of) I wouldn't trust anyone saying that their project "could not be written in Ada at all..." unless they were talking about some timing constraints that as we have all said is implementation dependent. >>There is no excuse for a 551K executable in a PC (pass 2 of Integrada). >>Janus Ada requires >580K available to run, and rumor has it that the >>Integrada compiler is a repackaged Janus compiler. > >C users have no such problems. Ever wonder why? wow man...he is talking about two (maybe 1) compiler on one computer running one OS...kindof small sample to be making those kind of comments. And making the commenbt that C users have no such problems is just basically wrong. Anybody who used pcc on a unix box with the reiser preprocessor with its horrible peep hole optimizer knows what I means!! Anyways the Ada environment must contain many things that the c environments very often don't. You should probably be comparing the size of your Ada system against a comparable C development system consisting of a compiler, lint, a safe malloc, and some tasking package. (and probably other pieces that I have forgotten!!) > >>Have a nice day. >>Marc >>-- >>--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>Na khuya mne ehto gavno? | Internet: cs057@zeus.unl.edu >Edinctvyeniy vid govna v etom mecte - Ada >> preferred machine->| UUCP: uunet!btni!unocss!mlewis >>--------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Have a nice day, > >Ted Holden >HTE > Ted, do you ever do any design work? If you ever happen to, you might learn a bit about the difference between DESIGN and a SPECIFIC IMPLEMENTATION of a certain design. Michael Mike Hunter - Box's and CPU's from HELL: iapx80[012]86, PR1ME 50 Series, 1750a UUCP: {ames!elroy, }!gryphon!pnet02!bagpiper INET: bagpiper@pnet02.gryphon.com