From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Received: by 2002:a24:212:: with SMTP id 18-v6mr617059itu.32.1529940781295; Mon, 25 Jun 2018 08:33:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 2002:aca:ed52:: with SMTP id l79-v6mr831513oih.4.1529940781133; Mon, 25 Jun 2018 08:33:01 -0700 (PDT) Path: eternal-september.org!reader01.eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!feeder4.usenet.farm!feed.usenet.farm!weretis.net!feeder6.news.weretis.net!feeder.usenetexpress.com!feeder-in1.iad1.usenetexpress.com!border1.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!u78-v6no4035475itb.0!news-out.google.com!z3-v6ni4456iti.0!nntp.google.com!d7-v6no4070798itj.0!postnews.google.com!glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2018 08:33:00 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <584564c2-9f64-4965-b045-535cdaf899c0@googlegroups.com> Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=47.185.195.62; posting-account=zwxLlwoAAAChLBU7oraRzNDnqQYkYbpo NNTP-Posting-Host: 47.185.195.62 References: <584564c2-9f64-4965-b045-535cdaf899c0@googlegroups.com> User-Agent: G2/1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <212dabe6-40bb-4b52-b9ca-e06ca3fb6042@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Why are Ada compilers difficult to write ? From: "Dan'l Miller" Injection-Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2018 15:33:01 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Xref: reader02.eternal-september.org comp.lang.ada:53305 Date: 2018-06-25T08:33:00-07:00 List-Id: On Tuesday, June 19, 2018 at 4:33:38 PM UTC-5, Vincent wrote: > Dear Ada programers, >=20 > I have often heard that Ada compilers where expensive because they are ve= ry difficult to write, compared to > Pascal or C ones. So my question is : what in the Ada language poses prob= lem to a compiler ? What are the > challenges ? Where can I find documentation about that ? The commit history alone of GNAT, Clang, and Flang is where empirical data = (e.g., size of source code; intertwinedness of source code; burstiness of c= hange; number of key mastermind contributors; defect rate) can be harvested= for an academic paper that explores this topic, to see whether Ada is any = more complicated or any larger at all than other modern quite-evolved progr= amming languages: modern C++ and modern Fortran especially. Even deeper a= nalytics could compare the open-source repositories to their corresponding = language-standard documents to measure difficulty of implementing certain f= eatures. I suspect that the answer is that all programming languages become the same= enormous size and same complexity given enough decades of ISO standardizat= ion or design-by-committee analogue thereof. What differs is what each com= mittee/community expended their energies & diligence & tenacity on. Benevolent-dictators-for-life languages likely have far less sprawl over th= e decades, but likely fall into 2 size/complexity categories: 1) kiss-principle (keep it simple, stupid) languages that evolve relatively= little over the period of decades (Yukihiro Matsumoto's Ruby seems to be a= n example of this category.) versus 2) conquer-new-dominions languages that convulse every decade or so to rein= vent themselves to do something entirely out-of-scope for their earlier era= s/convulsions. (Larry Wall's Perl6 seems to be an example of this category= .)