From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.5-pre1 (2020-06-20) on ip-172-31-74-118.ec2.internal X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=3.0 tests=BAYES_20 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.5-pre1 Date: 10 Jul 91 21:30:08 GMT From: cis.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!ua kari.primate.wisc.edu!crdgw1!sunroof!hammondr@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Richard A H ammond) Subject: Re: SOMEONE!$%#%#!%#%@ fund Jovial to Ada anything Message-ID: <21284@crdgw1.crd.ge.com> List-Id: In article <9107092046.AA21359@grebyn.com> karl@grebyn.com (Karl A. Nyberg) wri tes: >> ... know there is enough of a demand to make this worthwhile for the AJPO >> to fund someone to do something, but probably not enough demand for a >> company to develop a product. >If you think it's such a !$%#%#!%#%@ good idea, why don't YOU (certainly a >subset of SOMEONE!$%#%#!%#%@) write one? If there's the kind of market that >you imply, you stand to clean up. Put YOUR money where your mouth is. Get >your unnamed contacts/contractors to put the money up. Or as my friend Fred >says, qwitcherbitching. >At least quantify your "knowledge" to justify having the government spend >money that even private industry won't. Hard facts sell. Innuendo walks. But private industry may not be willing to fund it because they don't know the market size for the major military languages, i.e. JOVIAL and CMS-2. NOT because they are unwilling to risk money! And that market size is hard to figure out because the existence of many military programs is limited to a need to know basis. While I'm not sure that ADJPO ought to fund any tool building, I think that it would be useful for them to publish overall statistics on the amount of JOVIAL code which is in current use, perhaps broken down into number of projects in each of various size ranges. In other words, some way for a privat e company to make a good business case that the market is large enough to justify spending the $. Same thing for CMS-2 code and perhaps FORTRAN code Rich Hammond