From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 107f24,582dff0b3f065a52 X-Google-Attributes: gid107f24,public X-Google-Thread: 1014db,582dff0b3f065a52 X-Google-Attributes: gid1014db,public X-Google-Thread: 109fba,582dff0b3f065a52 X-Google-Attributes: gid109fba,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,bc1361a952ec75ca X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2001-08-03 16:45:30 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!newsfeed.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!news.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: Tom Plunket Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada,comp.lang.c,comp.lang.c++,comp.lang.functional Subject: Re: How Ada could have prevented the Red Code distributed denial of service attack. Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 16:43:11 -0700 Organization: Fancy Stuff Message-ID: <20dmmtchgh62pgomgu8uj2f6vskag5po4v@4ax.com> References: <3B672322.B5EA1B66@home.com> <9k9ilv$jds$1@farviolet.com> <9k9rta$2vi$1@nh.pace.co.uk> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:11269 comp.lang.c:72030 comp.lang.c++:79846 comp.lang.functional:7282 Date: 2001-08-03T16:43:11-07:00 List-Id: Marin David Condic wrote: > To combine two responses I've made elsewhere into one: > > 1) This is the "Any *competent* programmer would/wouldn't...." answer that I > do not find satisfying. We are all incompetent on any given hour of any > given day and we make simple, boneheaded mistakes that can be automatically > caught by a machine and prevented from escaping into the final product. I don't think that was Kaz's point, although I could be wrong. I read it the same way at first, but then thought that maybe he meant that "if someone is bad enough to not be able to program in C/C++ safely (assuming they know the language at all), then they probably shouldn't be doing mission-critical/life-critical software in the first place!" To this I agree; bad programmers can find work anywhere, they don't need to be writing software that could kill me. ;) -tom! -- Tom Plunket tomas@fancy.org PlayStation2/3D Studio geek "Our music is simple, it's totally fake. It's done by machines 'cause they don't make mistakes." -KMFDM