From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,103b407e8b68350b X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2003-01-07 10:35:41 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: snarflemike@yahoo.com (Mike Silva) Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Anybody in US using ADA ? Date: 7 Jan 2003 10:35:41 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Message-ID: <20619edc.0301071035.6abf3662@posting.google.com> References: <3E1A020F.8BD6EB6B@adaworks.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.245.217.2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1041964541 15184 127.0.0.1 (7 Jan 2003 18:35:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Jan 2003 18:35:41 GMT Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:32688 Date: 2003-01-07T18:35:41+00:00 List-Id: Richard Riehle wrote in message news:<3E1A020F.8BD6EB6B@adaworks.com>... > "John R. Strohm" wrote: > > > I *THINK* that Lockheed-Martin Fort Worth is using Ada for F-22 and F-16. > > You might try looking at their web sight (http://www.lmco.com) and seeing > > what they are looking to hire. (Most of their effort appears to be trawling > > for resumes for Joint Strike Fighter, which is in C++. > > This will eventually turn out to be one of the all time stupid software > engineering > decisions, one that will end up with lots of people blaming each other for a > series of cost-overruns, buggy software, and probably a lot of regrets. > However, > it is a decision that needs to be experienced so the managers can learn just how > > hideous C++ is for this kind of software. One can only hope they do learn that > > lesson and no one will get killed due to a software accident because of it. > > Richard Riehle I have a number of questions about this: 1) How is such a decision (choosing the language for a major project) made, especially when the language chosen has not been proven in such applications? 2) Is there any sign yet of cost-overruns, buggy software, or regrets? 3) How does C++ compare, safety-wise and reliability-wise, with earlier languages used in such applications, e.g. Jovial? (I *know* how it compares with Ada!) To put it another way, how big a leap backwards is the use of C++ for these applications? Mike