From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Path: eternal-september.org!reader01.eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!mx02.eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!weretis.net!feeder1.news.weretis.net!newsfeed.CARNet.hr!news.metronet.hr!news1.t-com.hr!newsVIP.hr!not-for-mail From: Gour Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: What exactly is the licensing situation with GNAT? Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2014 13:41:57 +0100 Organization: VIP-NET Message-ID: <20141115134157.10955d4e@atmarama.ddns.net> References: <87389olqie.fsf@ixod.org> <10d9w.55626$8w1.22302@fx12.iad> <150er0b62wsh3$.1xabmp81w5kdw.dlg@40tude.net> <2Oj9w.86043$uw3.37688@fx10.iad> <20141115082255.58da7f92@atmarama.ddns.net> <20141115115116.06fdf752@atmarama.ddns.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 109.227.35.115 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sopnews1.vipnet.hr 1416055317 15013 109.227.35.115 (15 Nov 2014 12:41:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@vip.hr NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2014 12:41:57 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: Claws Mail 3.11.1 (GTK+ 2.24.25; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Xref: news.eternal-september.org comp.lang.ada:23372 Date: 2014-11-15T13:41:57+01:00 List-Id: On Sat, 15 Nov 2014 12:26:02 +0100 "Dmitry A. Kazakov" wrote: > Ignoring absurdity of the idea that engineering could exist without an > underlying scientific discipline, Engineering is about being pragmatic and solving the (practical) problems, while science is, supposed to, about finding the truth. > if your interpretation of Dijkstra were that Ada is bad science and > [maybe, he never said so] good engineering, then why you interpret his > quote about OO differently? Simply because OOP is not science, but just craft about one of many ways how to solve problems. > Wouldn't it be simpler just to accept that Dijkstra as ingenious he > certainly was, regardless his enormous contribution to software > engineering principles, e.g. "correct by construction", didn't > understand software engineering well? I hope you understand that I do not hold opinion that Dijkstra is all-knowing God, but that does not mean that his quote about OOP as 'way of solving problems' and Ada as 'science' are to be dismissed. Sincerely, Gour -- Perform your prescribed duty, for doing so is better than not working. One cannot even maintain one's physical body without work.