From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: a07f3367d7,3025dd6d917b499c X-Google-Attributes: gida07f3367d7,public,usenet X-Google-NewGroupId: yes X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit Received: by 10.180.86.97 with SMTP id o1mr1345204wiz.2.1351391005867; Sat, 27 Oct 2012 19:23:25 -0700 (PDT) Path: ha8ni50638wib.1!nntp.google.com!feeder2.cambriumusenet.nl!feeder1.cambriumusenet.nl!feeder3.cambriumusenet.nl!feed.tweaknews.nl!194.109.133.85.MISMATCH!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed6.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!border4.nntp.ams.giganews.com!border2.nntp.ams.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!news.panservice.it!feeder.erje.net!news2.arglkargh.de!nuzba.szn.dk!news.jacob-sparre.dk!munin.jacob-sparre.dk!pnx.dk!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Tero Koskinen Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Ada, the best language with the not-so-best tool chain Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2012 01:49:46 +0300 Organization: Jacob Sparre Andersen Research & Innovation Message-ID: <20121020014946.547c0600eabc66a8c91d4ad1@iki.fi> References: <38af7fb8-b0a4-4a31-87aa-b7b698cc89c3@googlegroups.com> <3ca0ffd0-1764-484b-8fab-17c0d2dd9463@googlegroups.com> <1f645050-cf4c-40bf-a797-9687b69e4a54@googlegroups.com> <18ats2960nsvm$.kfufsnul13aq$.dlg@40tude.net> <5072c9ae$0$6562$9b4e6d93@newsspool4.arcor-online.net> <4keoa6epdxt7.1nnwxy7v7ar90.dlg@40tude.net> <5072dc68$0$6554$9b4e6d93@newsspool4.arcor-online.net> <1f7cmfp1l65w1.1deog8cfxbs0u$.dlg@40tude.net> <5072e37a$0$6556$9b4e6d93@newsspool4.arcor-online.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dsl-trebrasgw2-fe41f900-244.dhcp.inet.fi Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Trace: munin.nbi.dk 1350686987 15490 84.249.65.244 (19 Oct 2012 22:49:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@jacob-sparre.dk NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 22:49:47 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: Sylpheed 3.2.0 (GTK+ 2.24.11; x86_64-redhat-linux-gnu) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: 2012-10-20T01:49:46+03:00 List-Id: On Thu, 18 Oct 2012 17:33:55 -0500 "Randy Brukardt" wrote: > Obviously, some group of hobbyists could get to together and create > something (which is where the AVR-Ada and Mindstorms Ada came from), but > it's a big job and its unlikely that many targets would come from it. And > the Ada community just isn't large enough to have all of the bases covered > (or even a reasonable percentage). > > That's the reality -- and it isn't likely to change. Unless the board > manufacturers themselves start supporting Ada development systems, I don't > think there will ever be many choices for bare/small targets. (Especially as > Ada *never* has been used for small targets, even back in the 1980s when > there was a lot of pressure from the DoD to do so.) > > Feel free to prove me wrong. I'd surely be happy if that was the case - I > want to see Ada succeed. I think developers at Atmel now and then take a peek at AVR-Ada (Atmel is the manufacturer of AVR chips). For example, http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=26696632 ARM also helps various open source projects (by having people working in the projects, for example). If someone seriously wants to maintain open source Ada compiler for a smaller or bigger ARM processor, I am quite positive that they would provide some support (on best effort basis, if nothing else) when asked. > > Randy. -- Tero Koskinen - http://iki.fi/tero.koskinen/