From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: 103376,6487f59679c615d8 X-Google-NewGroupId: yes X-Google-Attributes: gida07f3367d7,domainid0,public,usenet X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit Received: by 10.68.197.35 with SMTP id ir3mr2635448pbc.6.1336562258038; Wed, 09 May 2012 04:17:38 -0700 (PDT) Path: pr3ni5918pbb.0!nntp.google.com!news1.google.com!goblin3!goblin1!goblin.stu.neva.ru!eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!mx04.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Oliver Kleinke Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Ada Reference Manual 2012 in info format Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 13:17:36 +0200 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Message-ID: <20120509131736.63c924c8@vostro> References: <82aa1ud0l3.fsf@stephe-leake.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Injection-Info: mx04.eternal-september.org; posting-host="r9vWwZGRqWnz4jaCL7CcWg"; logging-data="26211"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+OIxrOS8I3d6kRVQs3lAPLmx5jxY2PHmo=" X-Newsreader: Claws Mail 3.8.0 (GTK+ 2.24.10; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Cancel-Lock: sha1:I1epOGl0QFtHcwnRKWL3kzjg75E= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: 2012-05-09T13:17:36+02:00 List-Id: Am Thu, 3 May 2012 18:25:53 -0500 schrieb "Randy Brukardt" : > If you do spend time making an alternative version of the Standard, I > strongly recommend that you do so by modifying the ARM_Formatter > tool. That way, you can convert future versions of the Standard to > your format easily (if it is a by-hand conversion, it will become > obsolete far quicker than you realize and then you'll either have to > do it all again or forget it). And that would also allow the > alternate version to be used on the Rationale and other standards > documents, if that is appropriate someday. (That's what Stephen Leake > did with the "info" version.) > > Randy. Hello Randy, you have to realize that design and looks do have a function beyond fancy, usability for example. I think you derailed the conversation for your own purpose of defending the RM from change. "malware-laden ads", "run god-knows-what on your computer", "Start Menu in Windows 8" -- these are cheesy strawman arguments and it sounds like you are accusing Jerrid that this is what he has in mind. I am writing an XML extension to the formatter. It's not finished yet but does already look promising. Why XML? Because it's easily transformable into nearly every other format (Original Source format, plain-text, HTML, PDF, DocBook, DITA, info, SQL inserts, you name it..) using XSL (I'm talking XSLT + XSL-FO). A major problem of the formatter/RM sources is that they only provide partial semantic information about the contents, that IS 1995-style. Honestly, you should consider converting the sources to a more appropriate format. Also, the way the Formatter sources are provided sucks major -- cvsweb, you have to click around a lot until you have a complete set of files plus some of the HEAD versions have been broken. Providing a modern HTML version does not exclude the possibility to provide a more 'compatible' version, so don't be so obstinate. :-) Cheers, Oliver