From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: a07f3367d7,f3bebae566a54cab X-Google-Attributes: gida07f3367d7,public,usenet X-Google-NewGroupId: yes X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit Path: g2news1.google.com!news2.google.com!news.glorb.com!feeder.erje.net!news.mixmin.net!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Oliver Kleinke Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Some exciting new trends in concurrency and software design Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 10:39:16 +0200 Organization: Mixmin Message-ID: <20110622103916.20c277af@C-01b> References: <8a5765ba-622a-42cd-9886-28ed7cfed31e@s17g2000yqs.googlegroups.com> <4dff5be5$0$6565$9b4e6d93@newsspool3.arcor-online.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: news.mixmin.net; posting-host="41d98d35fc6b48cd0f40136b4aff0074"; logging-data="21092"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@mixmin.net" X-Newsreader: Claws Mail 3.7.9 (GTK+ 2.24.4; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Xref: g2news1.google.com comp.lang.ada:20002 Date: 2011-06-22T10:39:16+02:00 List-Id: Am Mon, 20 Jun 2011 16:40:36 +0200 schrieb Georg Bauhaus : > Incidentally, regarding mathematical elegance, why and when do > students still run away from CS? As soon as they are overwhelmed with > formality, including inscrutable mathematical elegance. Is it because > they aren't bright, or is it rather because they cannot get good > explanations? Because their teachers simply presume "obvious" math > skills and cannot and do not know what it is like to not have grown > up with all prerequisite mathematics. All day. Talking to my class mates at university (mostly first to fourth term students, most of them had had no programming experience) I rather get the impression that OOP involves abstract constructs that are not 'compact' for a beginner. FP wouldn't do any better. IMO the best approach would be to first begin with simple structured programming and then go on with programming by extension, modularization, etc. From my limited experience I tell Java, C/C++ and the like are not a good choice for an introductory programming language and are meant to fail. But all that is nothing really new.. (There were some papers on that topic ~15 years ago I think.)