From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: 103376,feeba31d5415227b X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit Path: g2news1.google.com!news3.google.com!news2.volia.net!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!130.59.10.21.MISMATCH!kanaga.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsserver.news.garr.it!newsserver.cilea.it!docenti.ing.unipi.it!o2943499 From: Colin Paul Gloster Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Crosstalk Article from Aonix Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 20:37:44 +0100 Organization: CILEA Message-ID: <20060210185613.J70839@docenti.ing.unipi.it> References: <43EC6B05.90807@obry.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: docenti.ing.unipi.it Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Trace: newsserver.cilea.it 1139600264 13694 131.114.28.20 (10 Feb 2006 19:37:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@cilea.it NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Feb 2006 19:37:44 GMT To: Andy Walter , Kelvin Nilsen , info@Aonix.De X-X-Sender: o2943499@docenti.ing.unipi.it In-Reply-To: Xref: g2news1.google.com comp.lang.ada:2846 Date: 2006-02-10T19:37:44+00:00 List-Id: Richard Riehle posted on Fri, 10 Feb 2006 08:28:40 GMT on news:comp.lang.ada : "In a recent article about safety-critical software, the author, an employee of Aonix, manages to avoid even one mention of Ada." Ada is actually mentioned once on WWW.STSC.Hill.Af.mil/crosstalk/2006/02/0602Nilsen.html in the "About the Author" section. " He seems to be unaware that, in the safety-critical domain, Ada is still a much better option than Java. In this kind of article one would expect at least a token nod in the direction of Ada from an Aonix author . C and C++ are mentioned often. This is a rather glaring considering that Aonix was once an important player in the world of Ada." The article was highly marketing driven and contains a number of inconsistent double standards to write favorably about the proposed safety-critical specification for Java or standard (i.e. actual) Java and to denigrate C or C++ or the specification called the Real-Time Specification for Java (and does not even admit the issue of incompatiblity of different real time specifications using the gimmick of having "Java" in their title (e.g. R.A.V.E.N.S.C.A.R. Java (the statement "Ravenscar[ Java, not the original so-called Reliable Ada Verifiable Executive Needed for Scheduling Critical Applications in Realtime which was designed to be amenable to analysis] falls short in that it does not offer a model that can be statically checked," from Tian Zhao; James Noble; Jan Vitek, "Scoped Types for Realtime Java", http://jiangxi.cs.uwm.edu/publication/drafts/scoped04.pdf is amusing); Kelvin Nilsen's (and his Real-Time Working Group's and the defunct J-Consortium's) Real-Time Core Extension; and the J-Consortium's surviving rival the Real-Time for Java Expert Group's Real-Time Specification for Java (and in the non-realtime domain: Javascript which also used the letters "Java" without actually being Java)). "The Aonix web site, to be fair, does continue to feature their Ada products. [..]" However, neither Aonix nor RTSJ JVM vendor aicas seem to list the other as a partner now unlike in the past, but a tangential reference to aicas can still be found in a press release on Aonix's websites dated October 13, 2004. Maybe Aonix and aicas still cooperate, judging from an article in "EE Times": "Java breaks out: Brewing enhancements, OEMs target security, speed and ease of programming" by David Lammers. On Fri, 10 Feb 2006, Jean-Pierre FAUCHE wrote: "Aonix is not going away from Ada! We just released our new 8.2 version of our flagship product ObjectAda, available on many platforms. We are offering ADT, the new Ada plug-in into Eclipse. Our Raven offering is still one of the favorite Ada solutions for safety-critical applications. It is true that Java is a new business for us, but Ada is still an important part of our core business. The rest is marketing ;-)" Java is not a new business for Aonix. The first paper on a realtime language which was purported to be Java was by Kelvin Nilsen in 1995 before he founded his Real-Time Working Group; before Real-Time Working Group's J-Consortium was founded; and before the extant Real-Time for Java Expert Group of Sun's was founded.