From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,cbe1484c379157b2 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Thread: 11232c,cbe1484c379157b2 X-Google-Attributes: gid11232c,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2001-05-05 03:43:30 PST Path: newsfeed.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news.tele.dk!194.213.69.151!news.algonet.se!algonet!newsfeed1.uni2.dk!news.cybercity.dk!ams.uu.net!news.mailgate.org!smtp.well.com!not-for-mail From: xanthian@well.com (Kent Paul Dolan) Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada,misc.misc Subject: Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 10:43:26 +0000 (UTC) Organization: Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG Message-ID: <200105051043.DAA07891@well.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: smtp.well.com X-Trace: news.mailgate.org 989059406 19066 208.178.101.27 (Sat, 5 May 2001 03:43:25 -0700 (PDT)) X-Complaints-To: smtp.well.com@abuse.net abuse@mailgate.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 10:43:26 +0000 (UTC) Mail-From: xanthian@well.com from smtp.well.com [208.178.101.27] X-URL: http://www.Mailgate.ORG Xref: newsfeed.google.com comp.lang.ada:7200 misc.misc:2760 Date: 2001-05-05T10:43:26+00:00 List-Id: Subject powerful editors versus IDEs in software development Re: License to Steal References: > I prefer a GUI oriented IDE with some power. I > miss some of the features of both editors, but > not nearly enough to ever go back. > Frank I'm a bit confused; how could you describe an IDE as "with some power" if it doesn't even provide for dropping through to your power editor of choice? [I'm a vim() fan myself, having outgrown both vi() and emacs(), but that's not really relevant to the larger issue of being captive to wimpy editing tools when writing software.] The StarLogo language in which I'm presently writing code (don't ask) also has an IDE, also has a "wimpy to the point of provoking suicidal impulses" editor. I find it much easier to keep an editor window open, and build my software with _my_ choice of editors, importing the code fresh into the IDE with each edit and paying the penalty of no incremental compilation or whatever, than I do trying to work with an editor roughly as feature free as MS-Notepad. After all, typical compilers are lightning fast today, so almost all of the _time_ I spend in software development is spent editing, whether of code or docs, so editing is where I want the most powerful assistance from my choice of tools. In my experience with several integrated development environments, IDE developers have too many things on their plates to also develop the world's best editor, whatever that might be, as part of their tool, and the embedded editor more often smacks of being an afterthought. I suppose this is back to the Unix concept of a suite of tools each of which does one thing well and has a simple integration technique, being more usable than a monolithic tool that does lots of things tolerably. Which is of course a religious issue. All of which are only opinions, but ones based on grunches of carpal tunnel syndrome risk taking over almost 41 years. Cheers! xanthian. -- Kent Paul Dolan -- Posted from smtp.well.com [208.178.101.27] via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG