From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: 103376,85b02a301688919 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public,usenet X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: TIOBE Programming Community Index for November 2007 References: <1779892.Lp74q3fGR4@linux1.krischik.com> <472ee027$1@news.post.ch> From: Markus E L Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2007 11:24:59 +0100 Message-ID: <1wtzo16lc4.fsf@hod.lan.m-e-leypold.de> User-Agent: Some cool user agent (SCUG) Cancel-Lock: sha1:Uc6kuLkF7hSoEMWKf4XdPPprGEI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii NNTP-Posting-Host: 88.74.34.225 X-Trace: news.arcor-ip.de 1194257922 88.74.34.225 (5 Nov 2007 11:18:42 +0200) X-Complaints-To: abuse@arcor-ip.de Path: g2news1.google.com!news4.google.com!proxad.net!feeder1-2.proxad.net!62.111.101.3.MISMATCH!news.germany.com!news.unit0.net!newsfeed.arcor-ip.de!news.arcor-ip.de!not-for-mail Xref: g2news1.google.com comp.lang.ada:18210 Date: 2007-11-05T11:24:59+01:00 List-Id: Martin Krischik wrote: > Markus E L schrieb: >> Martin Krischik wrote: >> >>> Hello, >>> >>> You, I don't like the index, but it is there, widely used and I think we >>> have to deal with it. >>> >>> And currently we deal badly - place 20 - one down and we are off the scale: >>> >>> http://www.tiobe.com/tpci.htm >>> >>> Yes, sure those Lua advocates must have fixed something to gain 32 places in >>> one year: >>> >>> http://www.tiobe.com/tiobe_index/Lua.html >>> >>> But then it shows that they have a dedicated comunity which can fix >>> something. Why can't we? >>> >>> On a lighter side: Visual-Basic overtook C++ ?!? >>> >> >> >> "The ratings are based on the world-wide availability of skilled >> engineers, courses and third party vendors." > > That's the logical description. Physically it is done 'by counting hits > of the most popular search engines. The search query that is used is > +" programming" ' The problem with hat method is that it doesn't count "popularity", but "activity", meaning, if people start mass migratring away from a language, one might get a situation in which the language is being mentioned rather often. > One problem we face is that "most popular" now excludes usenet and > google-groups :-(. See: > > http://www.tiobe.com/tiobe_index/tpci_definition.htm :-). Those indices are worth nothing, simply. > >> That might explain a lot: C++ programmers are presently much in >> demand, VB programmers are getting phased out. that the index >> basically measures (partially, at least) is unemployment. > > Well it's more a measurer of: > > Yes, might be. I hope you noticed my smiley (it was a ;-) ...), but I'm at least partially serious: Those methods measure whatever they count, but definitely not popularity. Regards -- Markus