From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, REPLYTO_WITHOUT_TO_CC autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: 103376,703c4f68db81387d X-Google-Thread: 109fba,703c4f68db81387d X-Google-Thread: 115aec,703c4f68db81387d X-Google-Thread: f43e6,703c4f68db81387d X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,gid109fba,gid115aec,gidf43e6,public X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit Path: g2news1.google.com!news4.google.com!news.glorb.com!npeer.de.kpn-eurorings.net!newsfeed.freenet.de!feed.news.tiscali.de!news.belwue.de!newsfeed.arcor.de!news.arcor.de!not-for-mail From: "Dmitry A. Kazakov" Subject: Re: [OT] Re: Teaching new tricks to an old dog (C++ -->Ada) Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada,comp.lang.c++,comp.realtime,comp.software-eng User-Agent: 40tude_Dialog/2.0.14.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de Organization: cbb software GmbH References: <4229bad9$0$1019$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> <1110032222.447846.167060@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <871xau9nlh.fsf@insalien.org> <3SjWd.103128$Vf.3969241@news000.worldonline.dk> <87r7iu85lf.fsf@insalien.org> <1110052142.832650@athnrd02> <42309456$1@news.broadpark.no> <4232ab3a$0$26547$9b4e6d93@newsread4.arcor-online.net> Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 09:59:57 +0100 Message-ID: <1v2x59328q19i$.1h2jwa2f9ekbm$.dlg@40tude.net> NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Mar 2005 09:56:27 MET NNTP-Posting-Host: 9822a13f.newsread4.arcor-online.net X-Trace: DXC=2;jWoBFQI_l:35lZDPnnTl:ejgIfPPlddjW\KbG]kaMhGSi?jHD8GO`NK0oFROO;ki[6LHn;2LCVn7enW;^6ZC`d<=9bOTW=MNn X-Complaints-To: abuse@arcor.de Xref: g2news1.google.com comp.lang.ada:9429 comp.lang.c++:45757 comp.realtime:1507 comp.software-eng:5080 Date: 2005-03-15T09:56:27+01:00 List-Id: On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 00:10:27 GMT, Dr. Adrian Wrigley wrote: > On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 23:46:33 +0000, Hyman Rosen wrote: > >> Dr. Adrian Wrigley wrote: >>> This means that you can't write an implementation of a template/generic >>> function using a map/hash without changing some/all the implementations >>> and interfaces up the instantiation tree (am I right?). >> >> No, you are wrong. Simply write your comparison or hash function at the >> point where you need it. Use the public accessors to get the data you >> need to perform the operations. > > That's the point... there aren't any public accessor functions > for opaque data types such as non-limited generic formal parameters. Then the data are inherently non-sortable. That was designer's decision, and that is *the* contract. To define "<" would mean to break that contract. There are lot of situations where some ad-hoc generated comparison will not work. Especially if objects are in fact handles to something that may change asynchronously to the container. -- Regards, Dmitry A. Kazakov http://www.dmitry-kazakov.de