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From: "Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de>
Subject: Re: Why no Ada.Wide_Directories?
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 09:55:07 +0200
Date: 2011-10-18T09:55:07+02:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1tggwi1yicf5z.1q3xra9r00oyb$.dlg@40tude.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: ffeeb5d0-5685-42ff-a141-72bea410f239@u10g2000prl.googlegroups.com

On Mon, 17 Oct 2011 18:10:35 -0700 (PDT), Adam Beneschan wrote:

> I have a feeling you're fundamentally confused about what UTF-8 is, as
> compared to "Latin-1".  Latin-1 is a character mapping.  It defines,
> for all integers in the range 0..255, what character that integer
> represents (e.g. 77 represents 'M', etc.).  Unicode is a character
> mapping that defines characters for a much larger integer range.

No, Unicode is a standard describes character mappings. Both UTF-8 and
Latin-1 are encodings. Latin-1 as an encoding has a property that there is
1-1 octet to code point correspondence, at the cost that some (most) of
code points cannot be represented by the encoding. UTF-8 lacks this
property, but is capable to represent all code points.

> Because of this, it is not feasible to work with strings or characters
> in UTF-8 encoding.  Suppose you declare a string
> 
>    S : String (1 .. 100);
> 
> but you want it to be a UTF-8 string.  How would that work?  If you
> want to look at S(50), the computer would have to start at the
> beginning of the string and figure out whether each character is
> represented as 1 or 2 bytes.  Nobody wants that.

Nobody actually cares, because strings are not processed that way. String
indices are obtained in the course of operations which keep them at the
beginnings of properly encoded code points.

It is a language problem to distinguish index (some index type) and
position (cardinal number). Ada does this BTW.

When you write S(50), what is 50 here? 50th character (code point) counting
from the beginning of the string or the index 50 of a character which
position is unknown without looking into the string? Considering the
declaration of String, it is not clear if Positive is a position or proper
index. For the latter S(50) just does is not read as "50th character".
Furthermore it is not guaranteed that of 50 is a valid index then 51 is
valid too.

-- 
Regards,
Dmitry A. Kazakov
http://www.dmitry-kazakov.de



  parent reply	other threads:[~2011-10-18  7:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 100+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-10-14  6:58 Why no Ada.Wide_Directories? Michael Rohan
2011-10-14  7:39 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-10-14  9:07   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-10-14 12:48     ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-10-14 12:54     ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-10-15  1:06 ` ytomino
2011-10-15  6:55   ` Vadim Godunko
2011-10-15 12:34     ` ytomino
2011-10-15  8:38   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-10-15 13:12     ` Peter C. Chapin
2011-10-15 13:22       ` Ludovic Brenta
2011-10-15 14:47       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-10-16  5:48         ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-10-17  0:15         ` Peter C. Chapin
2011-10-17  3:23           ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-10-17  7:12           ` Simon Wright
2011-10-17  7:59           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-10-18 10:55             ` Peter C. Chapin
2011-10-18 12:27               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-10-16  5:51       ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-10-17 21:41         ` Randy Brukardt
2011-10-18  7:29           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-10-18 14:06           ` Pascal Obry
2011-10-18 14:08             ` Pascal Obry
2011-10-19 21:32             ` Randy Brukardt
2011-10-17 21:33   ` Randy Brukardt
2011-10-17 23:47     ` ytomino
2011-10-18  1:10       ` Adam Beneschan
2011-10-18  2:32         ` ytomino
2011-10-18  4:46           ` ytomino
2011-10-18  9:32             ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-10-18 10:00               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-10-18 10:06                 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-10-18 12:01                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-10-18 15:02           ` Adam Beneschan
2011-10-18 15:16             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-10-18 23:42               ` Adam Beneschan
2011-10-19  8:12                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-10-19 21:43               ` Randy Brukardt
2011-10-20  7:37                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-10-20 11:04                   ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-10-20 12:21                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-10-20 12:38                       ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-10-20 14:31                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-10-20 15:54                           ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-10-20 17:35                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-10-21 12:53                               ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-10-21 13:41                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-10-25 19:22                                   ` Randy Brukardt
2011-10-25 19:35                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-10-26 22:41                                       ` Randy Brukardt
2011-10-27  7:43                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-10-27 15:13                                           ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-10-27 19:39                                             ` Robert A Duff
2011-10-27 21:09                                               ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-10-28  7:50                                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-10-28  8:45                                                   ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-10-28 14:59                                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-10-20 17:40                   ` J-P. Rosen
2011-10-20 18:43                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-10-21 10:07                     ` Vadim Godunko
2011-10-21 11:25                       ` J-P. Rosen
2011-10-21 12:25                         ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-10-21 13:13                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-10-21 16:03                           ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-10-21 18:34                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-10-21 19:30                               ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-10-21 20:02                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-10-21 20:36                                   ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-10-22  7:54                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-10-22 20:28                                       ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-10-22 22:23                                       ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-10-23  7:53                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-10-25 19:16                                           ` Randy Brukardt
2011-10-21 18:55                         ` Vadim Godunko
2011-10-21 19:18                           ` J-P. Rosen
2011-10-21 19:41                           ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-10-18 22:54             ` ytomino
2011-10-18  3:15         ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-10-18  7:55         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov [this message]
2011-10-18  9:41           ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-10-18 10:25           ` J-P. Rosen
2011-10-18 10:56             ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-10-18 15:34           ` Adam Beneschan
2011-10-18 17:27             ` J-P. Rosen
2011-10-18 18:33               ` Adam Beneschan
2011-10-18 19:54               ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-10-18  8:01       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-10-18  2:59     ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-10-18  4:07       ` Michael Rohan
2011-10-18  4:54       ` ytomino
2011-10-18  9:54         ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-10-18 10:52           ` ytomino
2011-10-18 11:02             ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-10-18 21:18               ` ytomino
2011-10-18 10:10       ` J-P. Rosen
2011-10-22  6:32         ` Michael Rohan
2011-10-22  7:25           ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-10-25 19:26           ` Randy Brukardt
2011-10-27 17:40 ` anon
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