From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, REPLYTO_WITHOUT_TO_CC autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Path: eternal-september.org!reader01.eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!mx02.eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!aioe.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Dmitry A. Kazakov" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: storage error: stack overflow Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2015 09:18:32 +0200 Organization: cbb software GmbH Message-ID: <1qfb7m1npg6v3$.1jkbqep470rli$.dlg@40tude.net> References: <87k2srf1j8.fsf@theworld.com> Reply-To: mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de NNTP-Posting-Host: enOx0b+nfqkc2k+TNpOejg.user.speranza.aioe.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: abuse@aioe.org User-Agent: 40tude_Dialog/2.0.15.1 X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.8.2 Xref: news.eternal-september.org comp.lang.ada:27522 Date: 2015-08-20T09:18:32+02:00 List-Id: On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 14:47:41 -0700, Jeffrey R. Carter wrote: > On 08/19/2015 01:47 PM, Bob Duff wrote: >> "Jeffrey R. Carter" writes: >>> >>> You do not /need/ access types for this. Avoiding them requires some thought, >>> but that's what S/W engineers do. >> >> I don't think it's fair to say that people who use access types >> (i.e. pointers) aren't proper "S/W engineers". It's true that Ada >> doesn't require pointers in many cases where other languages do. >> But Ada still requires pointers if the class-wide variable >> needs to change its tag. And pointers are required for recursive >> data structures. Etc. > > I didn't say that people who use access types aren't proper S/W engineers. I > implied that people who use access types unnecessarily because they're unwilling > or unable to do the extra thinking needed to avoid aren't S/W engineers. Actually it is the access type which require extra thinking. I remember how hard it was to understand the meaning of C's declarations like char *argv[] I think it is rather the first language which forms the ways of thinking of future SW engineers. People coming from GC languages have no less strange ideas than ones with a C background. (Good that functional languages are not taught as massively as C and C# are (:-)) -- Regards, Dmitry A. Kazakov http://www.dmitry-kazakov.de