From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, REPLYTO_WITHOUT_TO_CC autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: 103376,a0be06fbc0dd71f1 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public,usenet X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit Path: g2news1.google.com!news4.google.com!proxad.net!feeder1-2.proxad.net!62.111.101.3.MISMATCH!news.germany.com!storethat.news.telefonica.de!telefonica.de!newsfeed.arcor.de!newsspool1.arcor-online.net!news.arcor.de.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Dmitry A. Kazakov" Subject: Re: The future of Ada is at risk Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada User-Agent: 40tude_Dialog/2.0.15.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de Organization: cbb software GmbH References: <20071229040639.f753f982.coolzone@it.dk> <87d4sg372q.fsf@ludovic-brenta.org> Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 16:36:07 +0100 Message-ID: <1pb4s8untit3q$.qze96ty5hmxc.dlg@40tude.net> NNTP-Posting-Date: 05 Jan 2008 16:36:07 CET NNTP-Posting-Host: 929ef687.newsspool2.arcor-online.net X-Trace: DXC=9ME4QEhQ7XgeoCI^f\Y]EaA9EHlD;3Ycb4Fo<]lROoRankgeX?EC@@`BPC4a;==6ab X-Complaints-To: usenet-abuse@arcor.de Xref: g2news1.google.com comp.lang.ada:19217 Date: 2008-01-05T16:36:07+01:00 List-Id: On Sat, 05 Jan 2008 10:16:00 -0500, Robert A Duff wrote: > Ludovic Brenta writes: > >> Agyaras writes: >>> 4) Ada limitations. Certain aspects of Ada are painfully clumsy. The >>> three string libs, unnecessary multitude of I/O libs, primitive >>> exception handling, constructors are not part of the language, >>> finalization is an afterthought,.... >> >> These can be explained with a simple philosophy: if you don't need >> some feature, then Ada does not force you to pay the price for it. >> That's why unbounded strings are not the same as simple or bounded >> strings; that's why finalization is optional. > > Well, it explains why unbounded strings are different from fixed-length > strings. It does not explain why unbounded strings use such painful > syntax. Right. > The complaint about exceptions is valid. Yes, it could be better. Though I don't think that exceptions should of any type as they are in C++. I would prefer a private type with ordered values and some mechanism for additional parameters passing, maybe rendezvous-like. > I don't understand the complaint about constructors -- Ada 2005 is > pretty good in this area (better than C++, IMHO). People complain that there is no user-defined initialization, safe, and for all types. (Ada.Finalization hack does not count.) > I'm not sure I understand the finalization issue. Same as initialization. -- Regards, Dmitry A. Kazakov http://www.dmitry-kazakov.de