From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, REPLYTO_WITHOUT_TO_CC autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Path: eternal-september.org!reader01.eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!aioe.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Dmitry A. Kazakov" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Your wish list for Ada 202X Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2014 18:15:49 +0100 Organization: cbb software GmbH Message-ID: <1p9p0xr7bdbwu.66bh2yoikt4.dlg@40tude.net> References: <7f1c01c5-3563-4b94-9831-152dbbf2ecdc@googlegroups.com> <206rutb9pqak$.11a3dufqvmrm4.dlg@40tude.net> Reply-To: mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de NNTP-Posting-Host: KX5nm0jf7du4gHjHR6mb/g.user.speranza.aioe.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: abuse@aioe.org User-Agent: 40tude_Dialog/2.0.15.1 X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.8.2 Xref: news.eternal-september.org comp.lang.ada:18986 Date: 2014-03-26T18:15:49+01:00 List-Id: On Wed, 26 Mar 2014 09:17:04 -0700 (PDT), Stoik wrote: > W dniu środa, 26 marca 2014 09:17:39 UTC+1 użytkownik Dmitry A. Kazakov napisał: >> On Tue, 25 Mar 2014 14:41:16 -0700 (PDT), Stoik wrote: >> >>> I think that even a casual user of Ada should be able to influence somehow >>> the new version of Ada. I wonder what is high on your list of wishes for >>> Ada 202X? >> >> No. Casual users have casual ideas. Ada already suffered too much from >> casual additions. > > I strongly disagree with the view. The casual additions to Ada were not > from causal users, but from language designers. The casual ideas of casual > users are very easy to reject or just disregard. On the other hand, the > bunch of people that now influence the development of Ada is quite small, > and if something is proposed, the discussion is mainly on problems that > such an addition can cause. And the idea is to make it even more casual? > Ada, as a language, is now half-dead. There is just one compiler on the > market, and the fact that some small company wants to use the language is > already big news. It is still used as the first programming language at > some universities, > but it is more and more difficult to substantiate its use. The situation > will not improve if the language is frozen. It will not. But that does not imply that erratic changes would. IMO, Ada 2005 and 2012 tried exactly this - casual changes, borrowing [false] concepts from other [poorly designed] languages. > Although Ada has a lot of nice > features and is still better constructed than some of the more popular > languages, there is a lot that causes frustration for the users. Yes. But people disagree on *what* need to be done and *how* to get there. -- Regards, Dmitry A. Kazakov http://www.dmitry-kazakov.de