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From: "Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de>
Subject: Re: Language lawyer question: task activation
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 19:41:20 +0100
Date: 2009-02-20T19:41:21+01:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1lhxmo6l2ypux.bei2ffp1m3e$.dlg@40tude.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 499ede41$0$32665$9b4e6d93@newsspool2.arcor-online.net

On Fri, 20 Feb 2009 17:45:53 +0100, Georg Bauhaus wrote:

> Dmitry A. Kazakov schrieb:
> 
>>  Function is thought as yielding a value.
> 
> Do you think of a function as yielding
>  "a run-time entity with a given type
>   which can be assigned to an object of
>   an appropriate subtype of the type"?
> (AARM 3.2(10.a))
>
> The thought (idea) of a function yielding a value
> is not obsoleted by build-in-place, I think:
> One interpretation is that the yield of the constructor
> function is an object and the function computes and
> assigns the initial value.

It neither computes nor assigns, because construction/initialization is not
assignment. It is a different thing. The LHS object does not exist prior
construction, but does prior assignment.

> The word "in-place" is not in Ada, only "build-in-place".
> 
> Then, a procedure returns, too. Consequently, a
> function returning yields a value.

What does it return? Note that it does return an object, that were illegal
because the result is limited.

> So I'd guess that thinking of a constructor function
> as yielding a value is still apt. Maybe it is the
> idea of a function in need of an overhaul?

I don't think so. In my view, if an overhaul is needed, then to overcome
the delusion that construction can be expressed by a function. It is bogus.

-- 
Regards,
Dmitry A. Kazakov
http://www.dmitry-kazakov.de



  reply	other threads:[~2009-02-20 18:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-02-19 17:37 Language lawyer question: task activation Adam Beneschan
2009-02-19 17:57 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-02-19 23:57   ` Robert A Duff
2009-02-20 13:22     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-02-23  7:36       ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2009-02-20  5:43   ` christoph.grein
2009-02-20 10:44     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-02-20 11:14       ` christoph.grein
2009-02-20 12:07         ` mockturtle
2009-02-20 13:22           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-02-20 16:45             ` Georg Bauhaus
2009-02-20 18:41               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov [this message]
2009-02-20 22:19                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2009-02-21  8:31                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-02-27 23:29                     ` Randy Brukardt
2009-02-28  8:13                       ` Why constructing functions is a mess [was Language lawyer question: task activation (was: Language lawyer question: task activation)) Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-02-28 12:20                         ` Why constructing functions is a mess [was Language lawyer question: task activation Georg Bauhaus
2009-02-28 13:45                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-02-28 15:36                             ` Georg Bauhaus
2009-02-28 16:22                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-02-28 17:19                                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2009-02-28 17:48                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-02-28 18:39                                     ` Georg Bauhaus
2009-02-28 20:17                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-03-02 16:13                                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2009-03-02 17:46                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-03-02 18:50                                             ` Georg Bauhaus
2009-03-02 21:02                                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-03-03  7:04                                                 ` christoph.grein
2009-03-03  8:45                                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-03-03  9:27                                                     ` christoph.grein
2009-03-03  9:34                                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-03-03 19:13                                                       ` Pascal Obry
2009-03-04  5:29                                                         ` christoph.grein
2009-03-04  8:32                                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-03-04  9:05                                                             ` christoph.grein
2009-03-04  9:47                                                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-02-28 23:12                             ` Maciej Sobczak
2009-03-01  8:23                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-02-19 23:54 ` Robert A Duff
2009-02-20 10:18 ` Robert_Matthews
2009-02-20 10:34   ` christoph.grein
2009-02-20 14:16   ` Robert A Duff
2009-02-20 16:57     ` Robert_Matthews
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