From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, REPLYTO_WITHOUT_TO_CC autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: 103376,5bcc293dc5642650 X-Google-NewGroupId: yes X-Google-Attributes: gida07f3367d7,domainid0,public,usenet X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII Received: by 10.68.30.202 with SMTP id u10mr6200373pbh.1.1319356430419; Sun, 23 Oct 2011 00:53:50 -0700 (PDT) Path: c1ni2857pbr.0!nntp.google.com!news2.google.com!goblin1!goblin.stu.neva.ru!feeder.news-service.com!aioe.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Dmitry A. Kazakov" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Why no Ada.Wide_Directories? Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 09:53:47 +0200 Organization: cbb software GmbH Message-ID: <1l7zxjcrre04c.1taw8dtwqpkkh.dlg@40tude.net> References: <9937871.172.1318575525468.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@prib32> <418b8140-fafb-442f-b91c-e22cc47f8adb@y22g2000pri.googlegroups.com> <7156122c-b63f-487e-ad1b-0edcc6694a7a@u10g2000prl.googlegroups.com> <409c81ab-bd54-493b-beb4-a0cca99ec306@p27g2000prp.googlegroups.com> <4d97ced2-1695-4352-926c-2070f9ccbbf1@o19g2000vbk.googlegroups.com> <1cchjqhfjqo2l$.1s951jo0p9w8c.dlg@40tude.net> <1xuiads70kb6s$.odhmr2fg9b0z.dlg@40tude.net> <1ljblwrul8pmp$.1crge3eb0lhon.dlg@40tude.net> Reply-To: mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de NNTP-Posting-Host: NkTZyZQzt+uRNthfI6+Hjg.user.speranza.aioe.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Complaints-To: abuse@aioe.org User-Agent: 40tude_Dialog/2.0.15.1 X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.8.2 Xref: news2.google.com comp.lang.ada:14159 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Date: 2011-10-23T09:53:47+02:00 List-Id: On Sun, 23 Oct 2011 00:23:14 +0200, Yannick Duch�ne (Hibou57) wrote: > If you really believe Ada subtypes, *as Ada allows to use it*, does not > conform to the substitution principle, can you provide an example ? Specialization (Ada subtype is a specialization) breaks LSP in out-operation (an operation with out parameters and/or result of the subtype) Generalization breaks in-operations. This does not mean that there is something wrong with specialization or generalization, only that subtyping cannot be based on LSP. Which is the reason why programming languages use so-called "subclassing" instead, read: non-LSP subtyping. Ada 83 missed Newspeak and called subtyping "subtyping". > Please Dmitry, could write down once a whole, all you comments about Ada. Not necessary, you can skip my moans and get right to the response: "The change .......(fill as appropriate)........ could break existing Ada programs, which is unacceptable, unless the cases when it would make Ada look more like Java, LISP, Perl, ....(put a disgusting language here)....., but it does not." (:-)) -- Regards, Dmitry A. Kazakov http://www.dmitry-kazakov.de