From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, REPLYTO_WITHOUT_TO_CC autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: a07f3367d7,735c710b5e547bad X-Google-Attributes: gida07f3367d7,public,usenet X-Google-NewGroupId: yes X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII Received: by 10.180.106.199 with SMTP id gw7mr1322001wib.0.1343315053303; Thu, 26 Jul 2012 08:04:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.59.73 with SMTP id k9mr1419286qah.4.1343315053227; Thu, 26 Jul 2012 08:04:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.82.7 with SMTP id e7mr1702470pay.17.1343314967991; Thu, 26 Jul 2012 08:02:47 -0700 (PDT) Path: q11ni71877290wiw.1!nntp.google.com!16no12561170wil.1!news-out.google.com!a15ni105485768qag.0!nntp.google.com!q21no17372892qas.0!news-out.google.com!b9ni61666166pbl.0!nntp.google.com!npeer02.iad.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!border3.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!novia!volia.net!news2.volia.net!feed-A.news.volia.net!npeer.de.kpn-eurorings.net!npeer-ng0.de.kpn-eurorings.net!newsfeed.straub-nv.de!news.antakira.com!weretis.net!feeder4.news.weretis.net!news.mixmin.net!aioe.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Dmitry A. Kazakov" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Ada 2005 puzzle Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 09:41:04 +0200 Organization: cbb software GmbH Message-ID: <1kfm6rhasv1hy.9ga3thjxlie8$.dlg@40tude.net> References: <1arp60wtxes8h$.1qs6bt732ztgp.dlg@40tude.net> <030cde76-7435-405d-9f12-ac7f730ecab8@googlegroups.com> <1f9q6vk5z2r3t$.1hayo9rmxfwu7$.dlg@40tude.net> <7308644e-bfbe-44c1-8359-d67392d483e1@googlegroups.com> <1dgc6c6mortfo$.sdphq83df7gu$.dlg@40tude.net> <18usgh1w2ngg.18qc1w5q89um4.dlg@40tude.net> <1l1qasqzwtsof.18orc7p6s7hwz$.dlg@40tude.net> Reply-To: mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de NNTP-Posting-Host: 9A8bJrx4NhDLcSmbrb6AdA.user.speranza.aioe.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Complaints-To: abuse@aioe.org User-Agent: 40tude_Dialog/2.0.15.1 X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.8.2 X-Received-Bytes: 2327 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-5" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Date: 2012-07-22T09:41:04+02:00 List-Id: On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 00:53:39 +0400, Vasiliy Molostov wrote: > Dmitry A. Kazakov �����(�) � ����� ������ Sun, > 22 Jul 2012 00:23:38 +0400: > >> In any typed language construction is an operation that converts raw >> memory into a properly typed object. > > what language is untyped? None, even if proclaimed such. Though very few languages are properly typed. Anyway taking Ada: declare X : Boolean; Y : Boolean := False; begin Note, I intentionally take a most elementary type. X is constructed, but not initialized. Y is constructed and initialized. The postcondition of construction is: X in Boolean. The postcondition of initialization is [Y in Boolean and then] Y = False. Construction operates on the object's type. Initialization does on the object's value/state. -- Regards, Dmitry A. Kazakov http://www.dmitry-kazakov.de