From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, REPLYTO_WITHOUT_TO_CC autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Path: eternal-september.org!reader01.eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!mx02.eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!aioe.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Dmitry A. Kazakov" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: F-22 ADA Programming Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 09:56:45 +0100 Organization: cbb software GmbH Message-ID: <1i3ybg2vfpww7$.blbdxnclootv$.dlg@40tude.net> References: <220f97ab-9aa2-4961-b140-2b271c3ab99a@googlegroups.com> <99759c3f-a35f-4745-a8fd-2fb6ab6fb1aa@googlegroups.com> <48dc1630-8e7d-4e29-8bdd-53d74932d9d0@googlegroups.com> <88a7f98c-55c2-4b5f-8a9d-c8b7512781c8@googlegroups.com> Reply-To: mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de NNTP-Posting-Host: wVGZ4wSir+8CisRdbAoAnA.user.speranza.aioe.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: abuse@aioe.org User-Agent: 40tude_Dialog/2.0.15.1 X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.8.2 Xref: news.eternal-september.org comp.lang.ada:22913 Date: 2014-10-30T09:56:45+01:00 List-Id: On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 22:40:58 +0100, Georg Bauhaus wrote: > On 29.10.14 21:43, Dmitry A. Kazakov wrote: >> E.g. if >> programmers refused to work on a new aircraft there would be none and the >> country could become defenseless. > > There is a premiss not mentioned in this, which if mentioned, > would depict Mahatma Gandhi as an amoral person. He possibly was. But I wrote about evidently criminal orders, which justify actions like public disobedience. Using C++ is not criminal, not even amoral. It is only stupid. Stupidity is not a crime. The hidden point was that the theory of small deeds is all wrong. You cannot rely on humans acting morally, e.g. choosing Ada being under economical, social and other pressures to choose C++. It would not work. And it is not engineering, which in essence is about making things *less* dependent on human decisions, in particular, putting moral out of the equation. > The premiss > is that a people, in order to be free, needs staffed and > unstaffed flying weapons, or, generalizing, people all need to > carry and use guns, knives, pepper spray, tasers, etc.) Maybe true, but this is a difficult question of balance. > Considering northern Mesopotamia, many agree at this time, > even outside the USA, but aircraft does not seem to be the > most effective defense right now. Actually it is. The problem is how the weapon applied. There are constraints put by politicians which prevent its effective usage, or sometimes any meaningful usage. Military under democracy is meant to be ineffective, beginning with Athens expedition to Syracuse and on... > Considering India, many once disagreed. > Is there a single conclusion to be drawn? Considering what followed, split of the country, religious war, millions of dead and refugees, the conflict that keeps on going for a half of century, maybe India would be better off without this... -- Regards, Dmitry A. Kazakov http://www.dmitry-kazakov.de