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From: "Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de>
Subject: Re: Don't use the "use" clause
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 22:48:39 +0100
Date: 2005-11-19T22:48:40+01:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1ef4kvy6kdkwz.oqmb8acj5joo.dlg@40tude.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: slrndnv9qv.1r7.bogus_addy@tango.mindfuq.org

On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 20:28:25 GMT, Anonymous Coward wrote:

> In article <ulkzmsw5v.fsf@acm.org>, Stephen Leake wrote:
>> 
>> You introduced a name collision by the 'use' clause; that can always
>> cause name collisions. The proper solution in that case is to use
>> the qualified name.
> 
> I agree.  I personally take it an extreme step further, and never use
> use clauses anywhere.  They shouldn't even be in the language.  Every
> Ada project I've worked on that had a coding standard banned the use
> clause, and rightly so.  

No, name collisions better be prevented by making "use" illegal when it
hides anything.

BTW, what about banning implicit "use" of "Standard"? Care to write an AI
to make Integer, "+", "-" etc invisible? (:-))

> I don't only oppose it because of the ambiguity, but even when there
> is no ambiguity, it's a severe inconvenience to have to grep a large
> tree to hunt down a declaration.

IDE should have "go to declaration" button.

> Then to possibly get multiple hits
> and have to compare two lists of packages to discover which hit is the
> correct one.  By the time you make it to the declaration you're
> looking for, you've forgotten why you need to look at it :)

It is no matter "where", "what" does matter. If you need to frequently
browse sources to determine "what", then the program is poorly designed.

> Clearly the typing time saved by the use clause cannot possibly offset
> the time lost on all the resulting code searches.

What about the time spent on reading something like A.B.C.D.E.F.G.H?

If I were a "use"-hater I would propose a reverse notation for fully
qualified names: H of G of F of E of D of C of B of A (at least for those
who reads programs from left to right it would be a great help! (:-))

-- 
Regards,
Dmitry A. Kazakov
http://www.dmitry-kazakov.de



  parent reply	other threads:[~2005-11-19 21:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 112+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-11-15 16:03 Request for comments on simple Ada program Maciej Sobczak
2005-11-15 17:43 ` Samuel Tardieu
2005-11-15 17:47   ` Samuel Tardieu
2005-11-15 21:28   ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2005-11-15 21:53     ` Samuel Tardieu
2005-11-16  9:10       ` Anders Wirzenius
2005-11-15 21:55     ` Samuel Tardieu
2005-11-16  9:03     ` Niklas Holsti
2005-11-16 14:21       ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2005-11-16 17:08         ` Niklas Holsti
2005-11-16  7:11   ` Brian May
2005-11-15 18:29 ` jimmaureenrogers
2005-11-15 19:33   ` tmoran
2005-11-16 14:46     ` jimmaureenrogers
2005-11-16 18:05       ` Martin Dowie
2005-11-16 19:54       ` tmoran
2005-11-15 18:52 ` Martin Krischik
2005-11-15 19:33 ` tmoran
2005-11-16  3:10   ` Ada Quality and Style book discussion Anonymous Coward
2005-11-16  4:09     ` tmoran
2005-11-16  5:49     ` Simon Wright
2005-11-16  7:03       ` Martin Dowie
2005-11-17  4:49         ` Anonymous Coward
2005-11-17  6:48           ` Martin Dowie
2005-11-17 11:45           ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-11-17 12:37             ` Stephen Leake
2005-11-17 13:24               ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-11-17 23:15                 ` Stephen Leake
2005-11-19 20:28                   ` Don't use the "use" clause Anonymous Coward
2005-11-19 20:35                     ` Ed Falis
2005-11-21 17:36                       ` David Emery
2005-11-21 19:20                         ` Ed Falis
2005-11-21 22:21                           ` David Trudgett
2005-11-21 22:51                             ` Ed Falis
2005-11-22  0:15                           ` Anonymous Coward
2005-11-23  4:09                             ` Ed Falis
2005-11-23 19:26                               ` tmoran
2005-11-19 21:48                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov [this message]
2005-11-19 22:33                       ` Simon Wright
2005-11-19 23:40                       ` Anonymous Coward
2005-11-20 11:07                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-11-20 19:50                       ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2005-11-20  2:53                     ` Stephen Leake
2005-11-20  3:57                       ` Anonymous Coward
2005-11-20 10:44                     ` Pascal Obry
2005-11-20 19:48                     ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2005-11-22  5:11                     ` greptree lou
2005-11-22  6:08                       ` greptree Simon Wright
2005-11-25  1:00                       ` greptree Björn Persson
2006-01-23 12:51                     ` Don't use the "use" clause adaworks
2006-01-23 20:21                       ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2006-01-24  2:27                         ` Stephen Leake
2006-01-24  3:32                           ` Ed Falis
2006-01-24  4:44                           ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2006-01-24 22:53                             ` Stephen Leake
2006-01-24  8:54                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2006-01-24  9:48                             ` Martin Dowie
2006-01-24 10:28                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2006-01-24 13:30                                 ` brian.b.mcguinness
2006-01-24 20:03                                   ` Simon Wright
2006-01-24 23:00                                   ` Stephen Leake
2006-01-25  4:58                                     ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2006-01-24 23:38                                 ` Randy Brukardt
2006-01-25 14:49                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2006-01-25 21:46                                     ` Randy Brukardt
2006-01-26  9:14                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2006-01-27  1:04                                         ` Randy Brukardt
2006-01-27 15:23                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2006-01-27 16:35                                             ` Georg Bauhaus
2006-01-27 23:09                                               ` Randy Brukardt
2006-01-27 23:18                                             ` Randy Brukardt
2006-01-28 10:41                                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2006-01-24 22:55                             ` Stephen Leake
2006-01-24  9:42                           ` Martin Dowie
2006-01-24 23:02                             ` Stephen Leake
2006-01-25  9:14                               ` Martin Dowie
2006-01-25 11:01                             ` Peter Amey
2006-01-25 11:06                               ` Martin Dowie
2006-01-25 20:07                               ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2006-01-31  2:24                               ` Stephen Leake
2006-02-09  5:13                       ` Anonymous Coward
2005-11-17 20:55           ` Ada Quality and Style book discussion Simon Wright
2005-11-18  0:44             ` Larry Kilgallen
2005-11-19 20:56             ` Anonymous Coward
2005-11-19 22:41               ` Simon Wright
2005-11-20  0:03                 ` Anonymous Coward
2005-11-17  4:23       ` Ada Quality and Style book discussion ("_Type" suffix) Anonymous Coward
2005-11-17 10:51         ` Martin Dowie
2005-11-19 21:52           ` Anonymous Coward
2005-11-20 15:50             ` Martin Dowie
2005-11-17 11:34         ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-11-17 11:53           ` Martin Dowie
2005-11-17 13:26             ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-11-17 12:26           ` Brian May
2005-11-17 13:45             ` Martin Dowie
2005-11-17 14:22               ` Marc A. Criley
2005-11-17 14:50                 ` Martin Dowie
2005-11-18  3:04                 ` Brian May
2005-11-18  9:23                   ` Maciej Sobczak
2005-11-18 14:00                     ` Marc A. Criley
2005-11-18 11:48                   ` Java exception model. Was: " Peter C. Chapin
2005-11-18 13:18                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-11-19 18:06                       ` Peter C. Chapin
2005-11-19 18:58                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-11-21 22:38                           ` Brian May
2005-11-21 23:27                           ` Brian May
2005-11-18 22:33                   ` Simon Wright
2005-11-17 14:03             ` Hyman Rosen
2005-11-20 19:41         ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2005-11-20 20:43           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-11-21  0:00             ` Simon Wright
2005-11-16 13:51     ` Ada Quality and Style book discussion Marc A. Criley
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