From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FORGED_GMAIL_RCVD, FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Received: by 2002:a6b:720b:: with SMTP id n11mr726798ioc.3.1554356643555; Wed, 03 Apr 2019 22:44:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 2002:a9d:7845:: with SMTP id c5mr2777178otm.6.1554356643363; Wed, 03 Apr 2019 22:44:03 -0700 (PDT) Path: eternal-september.org!reader01.eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!weretis.net!feeder6.news.weretis.net!feeder.usenetexpress.com!feeder-in1.iad1.usenetexpress.com!border1.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!136no88764itk.0!news-out.google.com!r82ni102ita.0!nntp.google.com!78no88913itl.0!postnews.google.com!glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2019 22:44:03 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=165.225.84.79; posting-account=bMuEOQoAAACUUr_ghL3RBIi5neBZ5w_S NNTP-Posting-Host: 165.225.84.79 References: User-Agent: G2/1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <1e27ce78-217d-4adc-8380-30f6d4fc5fdc@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Intervention needed? From: Maciej Sobczak Injection-Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2019 05:44:03 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Xref: reader01.eternal-september.org comp.lang.ada:56069 Date: 2019-04-03T22:44:03-07:00 List-Id: > In none of my projects GDB works. >=20 > P.S. It never worked reliable in GPS and I bet it never will. This is very troubling. I understand the sentiment here that Ada is so good= in error prevention that debuggers are not needed at all, but what I find = in projects I'm related with is that debuggers are not used for debugging a= nyway. The major use for debuggers that I see is in integration testing, where tes= t procedures expect particular values in particular variables (or even exac= t memory locations) in particular circumstances. The test is successful if = such expectations are confirmed. Even for a presumably 100% correct program= such a test has to be done if foreseen by project plans. So, we have another paradox: Ada is so good in error prevention that the co= mmunity does not care about having a proper debugger, and then the lack of = working debugger prevents people from choosing Ada for projects that have r= igorous integration testing culture. Part of the paradox is that such proje= cts happen to be safety-critical, where Ada is supposed to be the preferred= solution. And then they use C, where debuggers work like a charm. Again: debuggers are not only for debugging and you better get them working= right (by, well... debugging them?). --=20 Maciej Sobczak * http://www.inspirel.com