From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, REPLYTO_WITHOUT_TO_CC autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: 103376,703c4f68db81387d X-Google-Thread: 109fba,703c4f68db81387d X-Google-Thread: 115aec,703c4f68db81387d X-Google-Thread: f43e6,703c4f68db81387d X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,gid109fba,gid115aec,gidf43e6,public X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit Path: g2news1.google.com!news4.google.com!news.glorb.com!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newsfeed.arcor.de!news.arcor.de!not-for-mail From: "Dmitry A. Kazakov" Subject: Re: [OT] Re: Teaching new tricks to an old dog (C++ -->Ada) Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada,comp.lang.c++,comp.realtime,comp.software-eng User-Agent: 40tude_Dialog/2.0.14.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de Organization: cbb software GmbH References: <4229bad9$0$1019$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> <1110032222.447846.167060@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <871xau9nlh.fsf@insalien.org> <3SjWd.103128$Vf.3969241@news000.worldonline.dk> <87r7iu85lf.fsf@insalien.org> <1110052142.832650@athnrd02> <42309456$1@news.broadpark.no> <4232ab3a$0$26547$9b4e6d93@newsread4.arcor-online.net> <1110825790.396769@athnrd02> <1gf23j59mnsm2.wimnrcdrb09u.dlg@40tude.net> Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 10:12:33 +0100 Message-ID: <1d7hl8pj8dhsh.m8mjwl7qxs86$.dlg@40tude.net> NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Mar 2005 10:09:04 MET NNTP-Posting-Host: c496bf46.newsread2.arcor-online.net X-Trace: DXC=;4D@Xk:XKN73JZILfT?WRXZ37ga[7:n919Q4_`Vj9B8=X\UUgbk4 X-Complaints-To: abuse@arcor.de Xref: g2news1.google.com comp.lang.ada:9430 comp.lang.c++:45758 comp.realtime:1508 comp.software-eng:5081 Date: 2005-03-15T10:09:04+01:00 List-Id: On 14 Mar 2005 16:02:43 -0500, Robert A Duff wrote: > "Dmitry A. Kazakov" writes: > >> It can be formulated in two words: "contract model" is what C++ templates >> lack. > > Which is both a benefit and a drawback. C++ templates are somewhat more > powerful that Ada generics, because of the lack of contract model, and > implicit instantiation. I think that the reason is not contracts but inflexible contracts. Ada formal generic parameters are not ADTs. So there is no way to define a formal generic type Ordered. Instead of that ADTs are defined ad-hoc: generic type Foo is private; function "<" (Left, Right : Foo) return Boolean is <>; package ... What is worse is that these ad-hoc ADTs are not named, so in fact it is a kind of that flawed structural type equivalence reborn. > But I don't think that addresses Dr. Wrigley's complaint (which applies > to both Ada and C++). Indirectly it does, because what he wants is to get more that is in the contract ... (:-)) -- Regards, Dmitry A. Kazakov http://www.dmitry-kazakov.de