From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, REPLYTO_WITHOUT_TO_CC autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: 103376,ad06d2d7cb045687 X-Google-NewGroupId: yes X-Google-Attributes: gida07f3367d7,domainid0,public,usenet X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,UTF8 Received: by 10.68.199.73 with SMTP id ji9mr13564725pbc.5.1328005388006; Tue, 31 Jan 2012 02:23:08 -0800 (PST) Path: lh20ni244440pbb.0!nntp.google.com!news2.google.com!goblin1!goblin2!goblin.stu.neva.ru!aioe.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Dmitry A. Kazakov" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Silly and stupid =?UTF-8?B?cG9zdOKAkWNvbmRpdGlvbiBvciBub3TCoA==?= =?UTF-8?B?Pw==?= Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 11:22:31 +0100 Organization: cbb software GmbH Message-ID: <19jyp0vyqkcop$.6oatj9p6pcp1$.dlg@40tude.net> References: <12kegkefstjiy.115bw2vmx23ll.dlg@40tude.net> <4f27b5e8$0$6628$9b4e6d93@newsspool2.arcor-online.net> Reply-To: mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de NNTP-Posting-Host: FbOMkhMtVLVmu7IwBnt1tw.user.speranza.aioe.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Complaints-To: abuse@aioe.org User-Agent: 40tude_Dialog/2.0.15.1 X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.8.2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Date: 2012-01-31T11:22:31+01:00 List-Id: On Tue, 31 Jan 2012 10:35:35 +0100, Georg Bauhaus wrote: > On 31.01.12 09:54, Dmitry A. Kazakov wrote: >> On Tue, 31 Jan 2012 00:11:43 +0100, Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57) wrote: >> >>> function Parsed (S : String) return Parsed_Type >>> with Post => >>> (if S'Length not in Image_Length_Type then >>> Parsed'Result.Status = Format_Error); >>> -- There may be other failure conditions. >>> >>> >>> Is such a post‑condition a good or bad practice in your humble or >>> authoritative opinion ? >> >> I would say it would be a bad practice. The reason is that IMO the >> postcondition must be complete, it must tell all truth or nothing. Your >> prostcondition is a partial truth, it does not describe all cases when >> Status is mandated to be Format_Error. > > One way to express a "hints only" postcondition is > > with Post => True or -- yes, mathniks, just FTR: > (if ... then ... > > The idea is that the partial truth, in the shape of a > formal note, can later lead to an improved program > structure. Apply your idea to the case statement: case Char is when 'A' => Put_Line ("Got A"); end case; Fortunately Ada compiler would not let you further "improving" this program structure, just rejecting the program. Such a nasty math-thinking on its part! Ada, at least Ada 83, considers program as a whole, trying minimize partial truths where possible. Because where truth is partial, there is a place for a lie. And in the case of software lies are always complete lies. -- Regards, Dmitry A. Kazakov http://www.dmitry-kazakov.de