From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Received: by 10.183.3.43 with SMTP id bt11mr22406730obd.7.1420464409704; Mon, 05 Jan 2015 05:26:49 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.140.23.208 with SMTP id 74mr1301qgp.23.1420464409677; Mon, 05 Jan 2015 05:26:49 -0800 (PST) Path: eternal-september.org!reader01.eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!mx02.eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!news.glorb.com!peer01.iad.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!h15no36564374igd.0!news-out.google.com!n9ni77qai.0!nntp.google.com!bm13no3374313qab.0!postnews.google.com!glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 05:26:49 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <87bnmd8mg2.fsf@ixod.org> Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=50.250.123.221; posting-account=yiWntAoAAAC1KqC_shmxJYv07B9l6LNU NNTP-Posting-Host: 50.250.123.221 References: <0Kgqw.953330$_k.685364@fx16.iad> <199c826a-923e-497f-a8e2-9e732c8a5665@googlegroups.com> <87bnmetex4.fsf@ludovic-brenta.org> <4ae7f0d5-d681-4be9-95bc-b5e789b3ad40@googlegroups.com> <87tx06rve6.fsf@ludovic-brenta.org> <87lhlirpk0.fsf@ludovic-brenta.org> <79f3eff7-2b45-40ae-af94-fa9a17426d82@googlegroups.com> <87bnmd8mg2.fsf@ixod.org> User-Agent: G2/1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <19cf9bc2-f8b9-4735-b427-7b070dda59da@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: GNAT GPL is not shareware From: David Botton Injection-Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2015 13:26:49 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Received-Bytes: 3791 X-Received-Body-CRC: 2970715822 Xref: news.eternal-september.org comp.lang.ada:24362 Date: 2015-01-05T05:26:49-08:00 List-Id: > Out of curiosity, am I correct in understanding that we have the GPL one > available at all only because of contractual requirements negotiated by > the DoD? We are not really discussing the availability of gnat as GPL but a specific= build of gnat that is released by Ada core called "GNAT-GPL" and the impor= tance of making sure the community _not_ imply that this is a "community ed= ition" or otherwise allow people to get scare off from Ada as being unusabl= e for proprietary and commercial projects if they are not deep pocket syste= ms projects. > If so, does it actually satisfy their intent? I wondered if > there is some other niche for it that they had in mind. My understanding is they wanted to promote Ada 95 its use and prevent stumb= ling blocks for wider acceptance. AdaCore is not in violation of anything and are with in their rights to "co= nvert" the run-time to full GPL to benefit their corporate interests even i= f at the expense of the Ada advocacy beyond their niche. As a community interested in Ada advocacy there is no idea here about "stop= ping" AdaCore or even "changing" their minds, there is though the need to f= ill in the massive gap left between the shareware/demo/trial/viral GPL edit= ion and the commercial PRO support package. A need for a "PRO Community" ed= ition =3D the FSF distros. So what there needs to be is an effort to: 1. Insure that the viral GPL edition is not misrepresented as a community e= dition. 2. That we improve the image, packaging and tools around the community edit= ion. GetAdaNow.com is a start in pushing the available community editions. This = year time to start making the community edition look sharp and flashy and a= ttractive to pro users. My invitation to advertise and market AdaCore as part of that Ada advocacy = effort in exchange for regular publishing a public version that is not vira= l still stands if they ever change their minds in the future. (I was never = "asking" AdaCore for something, I was and am offering something ;) My interests are constructive and I am happy that AdaCore will still gain c= ustomers even if not directly marketed by a strong community edition. David Botton