From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: 103376,e7151167e0767ecc X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit Path: g2news1.google.com!postnews2.google.com!not-for-mail From: dan.r.mcleran@seagate.com (Dan McLeran) Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Feasibility of using Ada in new development Date: 31 Aug 2004 10:11:59 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Message-ID: <19b0e504.0408310911.1e885c26@posting.google.com> References: <8429999a.0408231027.2850e800@posting.google.com> <6530a40c.0408240309.36f53e75@posting.google.com> <8429999a.0408241225.144c0066@posting.google.com> <19b0e504.0408251305.73ed26c8@posting.google.com> <87brgxkbol.fsf@insalien.org> <19b0e504.0408280957.5e266d7@posting.google.com> <877jrjhzx4.fsf@insalien.org> <19b0e504.0408300906.15164bf3@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.55.20.36 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1093972320 14058 127.0.0.1 (31 Aug 2004 17:12:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 17:12:00 +0000 (UTC) Xref: g2news1.google.com comp.lang.ada:3216 Date: 2004-08-31T10:11:59-07:00 List-Id: Jeffrey Carter wrote in message news:... > Dan McLeran wrote: > > > MS .Net and Borland tools and support contracts are not free. > > From my own research, they don't charge as much as ACT. > > Sure, but you have to consider > > 1. What you get. My experience with ACT support was very positive; with > Borland, less so. > > 2. The total cost. ACT only charges for support; MS & Borland also > charge for the software. That's true. If one adds up the cost of the tools and support together, it's probably a wash. I guess I was expecting more from the IDE for the money. If ACT is going to sell support for these tools, they should make them worth having. An IDE without code completion help? Gimme a break. A GUI builder that doesn't let you write your event handler code while you're building your GUI? Again, gimme a break. IMO, Ada would be a more popular language if programmers were supplied with great Ada development tools. This is especially true if one wants to convert programmers from another language over to Ada. Programmers currently developing code in C/C++ and Java (like me) have a very wide selection of great tools (both free and commercial). It's hard to justify moving to a programming language where the tools are much less capable and harder to use than the ones with which most developers are accustomed. Allow me to predict how some of you will reply: "Tools are not as important as the programming talent and/or language." I agree, up to the point where the tools can actually hinder productivity.