From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_05,INVALID_MSGID, LOTS_OF_MONEY,REPLYTO_WITHOUT_TO_CC autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,c6e9700a33963193 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public From: kilgallen@eisner.decus.org (Larry Kilgallen) Subject: Re: The future of Ada Date: 1999/03/10 Message-ID: <1999Mar10.123912.1@eisner>#1/1 X-Deja-AN: 453462394 X-Nntp-Posting-Host: eisner.decus.org References: <36E690FA.4B9C@sandia.gov> X-Trace: news.decus.org 921087557 4918 KILGALLEN [192.67.173.2] Organization: LJK Software Reply-To: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Date: 1999-03-10T00:00:00+00:00 List-Id: In article <36E690FA.4B9C@sandia.gov>, Gordon Dodrill writes: > A few weeks ago someone in this newsgroup mentioned that > Ada is a $100M industry. If this number is reasonable, > then assuming a loaded salary of $120K per year, there are > only about 830 full time Ada developers. Wouldn't that be 830 people working full time on Ada compilers and ancillary tools ? That includes marketeers, but it certainly does not include customers. > Ten months into the project, the project leader announced > very abruptly that Ada would be scrapped, C++ would be used, > and there would be a six month slip in the project to permit > training in C++ and rewriting the completed Ada code. His > reason - "There may not be any Ada programmers to do > maintenance several years from now, but we will always be > able to get C++ programmers." Certainly one can look to other languages like Fortran and Cobol where all programmers who knew the language suddenly disappeared as soon as Visual C++ was released. The same is likely to happen for C++ programmers as soon as Java predominates. I believe they all joined the Mother Ship hiding behind that comet, or was it the Borg who carted them away... Counting on hiring people who know only one language and also _cannot_be_trained_ seems like a risky way to run a business. Even if the language they know is the one to be used, hiring the untrainable is not a swift move. > I am obviously frustrated. How can I continue to promote > the use of Ada when the numbers mentioned in the first two > paragraphs above indicate a lack of growth in Ada compared > to the other languages? Any thoughts, either positive or > negative, will be appreciated. Obviously there are more than 830 people working on C++ compilers. In fact, there may be more than 830 C++ compilers. Certainly one important aspect of marketing is product differentiation. Surely one must pause to contemplate a "standard" language that leaves so much room for differentiation. The metric in computing, as in many other endeavors, should be how successful you are at doing it your way, rather than how many other people are doing it your way. As to why managers might make decisions on any other basis, the UPN television stations are now broadcasting throughout the US weekly showings of "Dilbert". Larry Kilgallen