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From: shang@corp.mot.com (David L. Shang)
Subject: Black box or white box (Re: OO, C++, and something much better!)
Date: 1997/01/30
Date: 1997-01-30T00:00:00+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1997Jan30.144905.281@schbbs.mot.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 32F07705.289C@concentric.net


In article <32F07705.289C@concentric.net> Alan Lovejoy  
<alovejoy@concentric.net> writes:
> Matt Kennel wrote:
> > Alan Lovejoy (alovejoy@concentric.net) wrote:
> > : An object should ideally be a black box that hides its implementation 
> > : (class).  Exposing the interface of the object is acceptable, even good.  
> > : But most statically-typed OO languages go beyond that into exposing the 
> > : implementation (class)--and then hard coding it into type constraints on 
> > : variables in the program source, which is very, very bad.
> > 
> > 1) Why is this very very bad?  Why is it non-very bad?
> 
> Because it fails to separate interface from implementation.
>

Be careful. Black boxes are not suitable for all the situiations.
Sometimes white boxes are required, especiallly in the situiation
where the clients want to have a touch and feel inside the box, not
just to use the functionality of the box.

Making all boxes black sometimes may complicate the usage of the
box. For example, if I get a 3D model boxes with an built-in
camera object, I would like to manipulate the camera by a direct
touching and feeling the camera, rather than by some indirect
handles (function interfaces) presented outside of the box.
Have a look at the following code:

   class My_3DScene is World3D
   {
	with Camera
	{	style = Perspective;
		position = (-1.0, 2.00, 8.0);
		orientation = (-0.2, -0.9, -1.5, 1.1);
		focalDistance = 12.5;
	};
	with Background
	{	style = Picturesque;
		scenery = "bluesky.jpg"
	};
	object Light is DirectionalLight
	{
		direction = (0.0,-0.2,-1.0);
	};
	object RollingFrame is Frame3D
	{
		object SphereFrame is Sphere
		{	position = (0.0,0.0,0.0);
			radius = 8.0;
			draw_attr = DrawWire;
		};
		object BlueCylinder is Cylinder
		{	with Material
			{	style = PerPart;
				diffuseColor = (0,0,1);
				specularColor = (0.5,0.5,1);
				shiness = 0.5;
				transparency = 0.6;
			}	
			position = (1.0,0.0,0.0);
			radius = 1.0;
			hight = 3.0;
		};
	}
   }
		
It is certainly better than the the following:

   class My_3DScene is World3D
   {
	DirectionalLight Light;
	Frame3D RollingFrame;
	Sphere SphereFrame;
	Cylinder BlueCylinder;
	Material material;

	My_3DScene() // constructor
	{
		Camera.SetStyle(Perspective);
		Camera.SetPosition(-1.0, 2.00, 8.0);
		Camera.SetOrientation(-0.2, -0.9, -1.5, 1.1);
		Camera.SetFocalDistance(12.5);
		Background.SetStyle(Picturesque);
		Background.SetScenery("bluesky.jpg");
		Light = new DirectionalLight (this);
		Light.SetDirection(0.0,-0.2,-1.0);
		RollingFrame = new Frame3D (this);
		SphereFrame = new Sphere (RollingFrame);
		SphereFrame.SetPosition(0.0,0.0,0.0);
		SphereFrame.SetRadius(8.0);
		SphereFrame.SetDrawAttr(DrawWire);
		BlueCylinder = new Cylinder (RollingFrame);
		material = BlueCylinder.GetMaterial();
		material.SetStyle(PerPart);
		material.SetDiffuseColor(0,0,1);
		material.SetSpecularColor(0.5,0.5,1);
		material.SetShiness(0.5);
		material.SetTransparency(0.6);
		BlueCylinder.SetPosition(1.0,0.0,0.0);
		BlueCylinder.SetRadius(1.0);
		BlueCylinder.SetHight(3.00);
	};
   };

The latter code hard to understand and manipulate.

The class "World3D" is not designed to be used through its
functionality, rather, it is designed for clients who can
touch and feel the inside of the world!

David Shang





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Thread overview: 379+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
1997-01-16  0:00 OO, C++, and something much better! Jon S Anthony
1997-01-17  0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-01-16  0:00   ` Matthew Heaney
1997-01-17  0:00     ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-01-17  0:00       ` Norman H. Cohen
1997-01-17  0:00         ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-01-18  0:00           ` Fergus Henderson
1997-01-17  0:00             ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-01-20  0:00               ` Fergus Henderson
1997-01-19  0:00                 ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-01-20  0:00               ` Damon Feldman
1997-01-19  0:00                 ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-01-20  0:00                   ` Graham Hughes
1997-01-21  0:00                     ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-01-21  0:00                       ` Matt Kennel
1997-01-21  0:00                       ` Marc Robertson
1997-01-24  0:00                         ` Mark Windholtz
1997-01-27  0:00                           ` David Hanley
     [not found]                             ` <32EE2FEE.62FE@p <32EE8415.2F5B@netright.com>
1997-01-28  0:00                               ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-29  0:00                                 ` David Hanley
1997-01-29  0:00                                   ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-28  0:00                             ` David Hanley
1997-01-28  0:00                             ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-28  0:00                         ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-01-29  0:00                           ` Matt Kennel
1997-01-30  0:00                             ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-01-30  0:00                               ` David L. Shang [this message]
1997-01-30  0:00                               ` David L. Shang
1997-01-29  0:00                         ` Jun Nolasco
1997-01-22  0:00                       ` Fergus Henderson
1997-01-22  0:00                         ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-22  0:00                           ` Graham Hughes
1997-01-23  0:00                             ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-23  0:00                               ` Claus Reinke
1997-01-25  0:00                                 ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-25  0:00                                   ` Lawrence G. Mayka
1997-01-25  0:00                                   ` Fergus Henderson
1997-01-28  0:00                                   ` Claus Reinke
1997-01-24  0:00                               ` Don Harrison
1997-01-24  0:00                                 ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-28  0:00                                   ` Don Harrison
1997-01-23  0:00                             ` Mark Woodruff
1997-01-24  0:00                             ` Richard A. O'Keefe
     [not found]                               ` <E4voIF.86o@world.std.com>
1997-02-12  0:00                                 ` Ulf Schuenemann
1997-01-23  0:00                           ` Robb Nebbe
1997-01-23  0:00                             ` David Hanley
1997-01-25  0:00                             ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-23  0:00                           ` Matt Kennel
1997-01-25  0:00                             ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-27  0:00                             ` Jon S Anthony
1997-01-24  0:00                           ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1997-01-24  0:00                           ` Fergus Henderson
1997-01-24  0:00                             ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-01-26  0:00                             ` Fergus Henderson
     [not found]                             ` <32E9BAAC. <5ce8t3$6gv@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU>
1997-01-28  0:00                               ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-01-28  0:00                             ` Alan Knight
1997-01-29  0:00                               ` Nick Leaton
1997-01-29  0:00                             ` Fergus Henderson
1997-01-30  0:00                             ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-01-22  0:00                         ` Fergus Henderson
1997-01-25  0:00                         ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-01-27  0:00                         ` Ed Shirk
1997-01-27  0:00                         ` Rolf Breuning
1997-01-20  0:00                   ` David Hanley
1997-01-21  0:00                     ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-01-22  0:00                       ` Fergus Henderson
1997-01-22  0:00                         ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-01-23  0:00                         ` Bob Jarvis
1997-01-20  0:00                   ` Bill Gooch
1997-01-22  0:00                   ` Damon Feldman
1997-01-29  0:00                   ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-01-25  0:00                 ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-26  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-27  0:00                     ` Samuel S. Shuster
1997-01-27  0:00                       ` Richard Kenner
1997-01-29  0:00                         ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-30  0:00                           ` Eirik Mangseth
1997-01-28  0:00                       ` Jun Nolasco
1997-01-29  0:00                       ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-29  0:00                         ` Richard Kenner
1997-01-29  0:00                           ` David Hanley
1997-01-29  0:00                             ` Richard Kenner
1997-01-30  0:00                           ` Nick Leaton
1997-01-30  0:00                             ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-30  0:00                             ` Richard Kenner
1997-01-30  0:00                               ` Nick Leaton
1997-01-27  0:00                     ` Bob Jarvis
1997-01-27  0:00                       ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-27  0:00                         ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-29  0:00                           ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-29  0:00                             ` Robert A Duff
1997-01-29  0:00                               ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-27  0:00                         ` Matthew Heaney
1997-01-27  0:00                         ` Robert A Duff
1997-01-29  0:00                           ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-27  0:00                         ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-28  0:00                     ` Robert I. Eachus
1997-02-08  0:00                   ` Robin Rosenberg
1997-01-25  0:00                 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-01-27  0:00                 ` David Hanley
1997-01-29  0:00                   ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-01-29  0:00                     ` Dennis Smith
1997-01-27  0:00                 ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-29  0:00                   ` Fergus Henderson
1997-01-29  0:00                   ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-01-27  0:00                 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-01-28  0:00                 ` David Hanley
1997-01-28  0:00                 ` Robert I. Eachus
1997-01-28  0:00                 ` Luther Hampton
1997-01-28  0:00                 ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-28  0:00                   ` Matt Kennel
1997-01-28  0:00                 ` David Hanley
1997-01-28  0:00                   ` Jacqueline U. Robertson
1997-01-29  0:00                     ` Fergus Henderson
1997-01-29  0:00                     ` David Hanley
1997-01-30  0:00                     ` Robert C. Martin
     [not found]                       ` <5cr068$gpa@uni.library.ucla.edu>
1997-06-27  0:00                         ` David Shang
1997-06-28  0:00                           ` Mike Stark
1997-06-28  0:00                           ` Ronald E Jeffries
1997-06-29  0:00                           ` Mike Anderson
1997-06-29  0:00                             ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-30  0:00                               ` Kohler Markus
1997-01-29  0:00                   ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-01-29  0:00                 ` Rolf Breuning
1997-01-29  0:00                 ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-29  0:00                 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-01-29  0:00                 ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-29  0:00                 ` David Hanley
1997-01-25  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-27  0:00                 ` Bob Jarvis
1997-01-27  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-28  0:00                 ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-01-25  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-26  0:00                 ` James O'Connor
1997-01-26  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-26  0:00                   ` George Wolke
1997-01-27  0:00                   ` Jerry van Dijk
1997-01-28  0:00                     ` Robert A Duff
1997-01-28  0:00                       ` Jerry van Dijk
1997-01-29  0:00                       ` Stanley R. Allen
1997-01-30  0:00                         ` Robert A Duff
1997-01-28  0:00                 ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-01-28  0:00                 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-01-29  0:00                   ` Robert A Duff
1997-01-19  0:00             ` Soren Skogstad Nielsen
1997-01-20  0:00             ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-01-26  0:00               ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-01-29  0:00                 ` Multiple Type Interfaces Jon S Anthony
1997-01-28  0:00               ` Dave Gibson
1997-01-28  0:00                 ` Robert A Duff
1997-01-28  0:00               ` Norman H. Cohen
1997-01-28  0:00                 ` david scott gibson
1997-01-28  0:00                   ` Matthew Heaney
1997-01-29  0:00                     ` david scott gibson
1997-01-29  0:00                       ` Robert A Duff
1997-01-29  0:00                         ` david scott gibson
1997-01-21  0:00             ` OO, C++, and something much better! Matthew S. Whiting
1997-01-21  0:00             ` Matthew S. Whiting
1997-01-22  0:00               ` Fergus Henderson
1997-01-22  0:00                 ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-01-22  0:00                 ` Don Harrison
1997-01-22  0:00                   ` John Kuszewski
1997-01-23  0:00                     ` Don Harrison
1997-01-23  0:00                       ` Tansel Ersavas
1997-01-23  0:00                       ` Travis Griggs
1997-01-24  0:00                     ` Fergus Henderson
1997-01-22  0:00                 ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-23  0:00                   ` Combining dynamic and static typing Don Harrison
1997-01-24  0:00                     ` Erik M. Buck
     [not found]                       ` <01bc0b21$6a8293e0$7df2ad80@wkst01.milagro.austin.tx.us>
1997-01-25  0:00                         ` Nathan M. Urban
1997-01-28  0:00                           ` David L. Shang
1997-01-28  0:00                             ` Luther Hampton
1997-01-29  0:00                               ` Marc De Scheemaecker
1997-01-28  0:00                             ` Nathan M. Urban
1997-01-29  0:00                               ` David L. Shang
1997-01-29  0:00                               ` Russ McClelland
     [not found]                             ` <5d0efr$meb@news.xmission.com>
1997-02-09  0:00                               ` daniel damian burden
1997-01-27  0:00                     ` David L. Shang
1997-01-27  0:00                     ` Robert I. Eachus
1997-01-28  0:00                     ` Robert C. Martin
1997-01-29  0:00                       ` David L. Shang
1997-01-23  0:00                   ` OO, C++, and something much better! Don Harrison
1997-01-27  0:00                     ` John Woods
1997-01-28  0:00                       ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-01-24  0:00                   ` Andy Bower
1997-01-25  0:00                     ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-26  0:00                       ` William Clodius
1997-01-25  0:00                     ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-26  0:00                       ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-26  0:00                         ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-26  0:00                         ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-27  0:00                   ` Robert C. Martin
1997-01-29  0:00                     ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-29  0:00                       ` Robert A Duff
1997-01-24  0:00             ` Tansel Ersavas
1997-01-25  0:00               ` Damon Feldman
1997-01-26  0:00                 ` Felix Beer
1997-01-28  0:00               ` Robert C. Martin
1997-01-28  0:00                 ` Matt Kennel
1997-01-29  0:00                 ` Del Archer
1997-01-24  0:00             ` Tansel Ersavas
1997-01-25  0:00               ` Robert A Duff
1997-01-26  0:00                 ` Bob Haugen
1997-01-26  0:00                   ` Larry J. Elmore
1997-01-26  0:00                     ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-26  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-26  0:00                     ` TanselErsavas
1997-01-27  0:00                     ` Samuel S. Shuster
1997-01-27  0:00                   ` David Hanley
1997-01-26  0:00                 ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-26  0:00                   ` James O'Connor
1997-01-26  0:00                     ` TanselErsavas
1997-01-26  0:00                       ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-27  0:00                         ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-28  0:00                           ` Antoine Trux
1997-01-29  0:00                           ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-25  0:00               ` Fergus Henderson
1997-01-24  0:00             ` Tansel Ersavas
1997-01-27  0:00             ` David Hanley
1997-01-28  0:00               ` OO, C++, and more and more useless arguments! Robert C. Martin
1997-01-28  0:00             ` OO, C++, and something much better! Al Christians
1997-01-28  0:00             ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-01-29  0:00             ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-02-21  0:00             ` Eric W. Nikitin
1997-02-21  0:00               ` Brian Rogoff
1997-02-21  0:00             ` Chris Bitmead
1997-02-24  0:00             ` Jon S Anthony
1997-02-24  0:00               ` Brian Rogoff
1997-02-25  0:00                 ` Eric W. Nikitin
1997-01-21  0:00           ` Norman H. Cohen
1997-01-22  0:00             ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-23  0:00               ` Static vs. Dynamic typing again (was Re: OO, C++, and something much better!) Richie Bielak
1997-01-23  0:00                 ` Bill Gooch
1997-01-23  0:00                 ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-23  0:00                   ` Richie Bielak
1997-01-23  0:00                     ` Rolf Breuning
1997-01-23  0:00                     ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-24  0:00                       ` Richie Bielak
1997-01-24  0:00                         ` Bob Jarvis
1997-01-24  0:00                           ` Richie Bielak
1997-01-27  0:00                             ` Eric W. Nikitin
1997-01-25  0:00                           ` Robert A Duff
1997-01-30  0:00                             ` Damon Feldman
1997-01-30  0:00                               ` Robert A Duff
1997-01-30  0:00                               ` Defintion, again, was Re: Static vs. Dynamic typing again David L. Shang
1997-01-30  0:00                               ` Static vs. Dynamic typing again (was Re: OO, C++, and something much better!) Fergus Henderson
1997-02-09  0:00                               ` Piercarlo Grandi
1997-02-10  0:00                                 ` Matt Kennel
1997-02-14  0:00                                   ` Piercarlo Grandi
1997-01-24  0:00                       ` Robb Nebbe
1997-01-25  0:00                         ` OO, C++, and something much better! David N. Smith
1997-02-15  0:00                       ` Static vs. Dynamic typing again (was Re: OO, C++, and something much better!) Pieter Schoenmakers
1997-02-16  0:00                         ` Piercarlo Grandi
1997-01-27  0:00                     ` Jun Nolasco
1997-01-28  0:00                     ` Mark Windholtz
1997-01-28  0:00                       ` Richie Bielak
1997-01-23  0:00                   ` Richie Bielak
1997-01-24  0:00                     ` Eirik Mangseth
     [not found]                     ` <32E85588.1978@parcplace.com>
1997-01-26  0:00                       ` Paul Perkins
1997-01-26  0:00                         ` Robert A Duff
1997-01-29  0:00                           ` John Gale
1997-01-30  0:00                             ` Robert A Duff
1997-01-28  0:00                       ` Damon Feldman
1997-01-28  0:00                         ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-28  0:00                 ` Alan Knight
1997-02-08  0:00                 ` Static vs. Dynamic typing again (was Re: OO, C++, and something mu Joachim Durchholz
1997-01-23  0:00               ` OO, C++, and something much better! Norman H. Cohen
1997-01-24  0:00                 ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-27  0:00                   ` Norman H. Cohen
1997-01-28  0:00                     ` Tim Ottinger
1997-01-29  0:00                       ` Ted Dennison
1997-01-24  0:00                 ` traymond
1997-01-27  0:00                   ` Norman H. Cohen
1997-01-28  0:00                     ` traymond
1997-01-25  0:00                 ` Tansel Ersavas
1997-01-27  0:00                   ` Norman H. Cohen
1997-01-27  0:00                     ` Brian Rogoff
1997-01-28  0:00                       ` Reflection in Ada (was: Re: OO, C++, and something much better!) Norman H. Cohen
1997-01-29  0:00                         ` Eric W. Nikitin
1997-01-30  0:00                       ` OO, C++, and something much better! Tim Ottinger
1997-01-23  0:00             ` James O'Connor
1997-01-29  0:00               ` Stanley R. Allen
1997-01-30  0:00                 ` Robert A Duff
1997-01-27  0:00           ` Jon S Anthony
1997-01-19  0:00       ` Keith Thompson
1997-01-22  0:00     ` Don Harrison
1997-01-23  0:00       ` Norman H. Cohen
1997-01-24  0:00         ` Don Harrison
1997-01-27  0:00           ` Norman H. Cohen
1997-01-29  0:00             ` "(Sub)type" -safety Don Harrison
1997-01-29  0:00               ` Jon S Anthony
1997-01-30  0:00                 ` Don Harrison
1997-01-23  0:00       ` OO, C++, and something much better! Robert I. Eachus
1997-01-20  0:00   ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen FOU.TD/DELAB
1997-01-24  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1997-01-26  0:00   ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-27  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1997-01-27  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1997-01-27  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1997-01-28  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1997-01-29  0:00   ` Stephen J Bevan
1997-01-21  0:00 ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-01-22  0:00   ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1997-01-27  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-27  0:00       ` Robert A Duff
1997-01-29  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-27  0:00     ` Robert A Duff
1997-01-27  0:00       ` Bob Jarvis
1997-01-28  0:00         ` Travis Griggs
1997-01-28  0:00       ` Russ McClelland
1997-01-28  0:00       ` Norman H. Cohen
1997-01-27  0:00   ` John Woods
1997-01-22  0:00 ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-23  0:00 ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-01-24  0:00 ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-01-29  0:00   ` Multiple Type Interfaces Joachim Durchholz
1997-01-25  0:00 ` OO, C++, and something much better! Eric Clayberg
1997-01-25  0:00 ` James O'Connor
1997-01-26  0:00   ` Lawrence G. Mayka
1997-01-26  0:00     ` James O'Connor
1997-01-25  0:00 ` Tansel Ersavas
1997-01-27  0:00 ` Norman H. Cohen
1997-02-07  0:00 ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1997-02-07  0:00   ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-02-12  0:00     ` Piercarlo Grandi
1997-02-13  0:00       ` Alan Lovejoy
     [not found]         ` <yf3ybcsm5ce.fsf@sabi.demon.co.uk>
1997-02-14  0:00           ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-02-16  0:00             ` Piercarlo Grandi
1997-02-16  0:00               ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-02-17  0:00                 ` Piercarlo Grandi
1997-02-13  0:00     ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1997-02-13  0:00       ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-02-18  0:00         ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1997-02-19  0:00           ` William Clodius
1997-02-19  0:00             ` Mike Klein
1997-02-19  0:00           ` Mike Klein
1997-02-19  0:00           ` richard
1997-02-15  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1997-02-16  0:00     ` Piercarlo Grandi
1997-02-16  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1997-02-18  0:00     ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1997-02-20  0:00       ` Matt Kennel
1997-02-20  0:00         ` Anders Pytte
1997-02-16  0:00   ` Definition of "operator" (was: OO, C++, and something much better!) Alan Lovejoy
1997-02-19  0:00     ` Dave Schaumann
1997-02-19  0:00       ` Anders Pytte
1997-02-17  0:00   ` OO, C++, and something much better! Jon S Anthony
1997-02-17  0:00   ` Definition of "operator" (was: OO, C++, and something much better!) Alan Lovejoy
1997-02-19  0:00     ` David L. Shang
1997-02-21  0:00     ` Jon S Anthony
1997-02-24  0:00       ` David L. Shang
1997-02-25  0:00       ` Jon S Anthony
1997-02-17  0:00   ` OO, C++, and something much better! Alan Lovejoy
1997-02-17  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1997-02-19  0:00     ` Piercarlo Grandi
1997-02-19  0:00       ` Mike Klein
1997-02-17  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1997-02-19  0:00     ` Piercarlo Grandi
1997-02-18  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1997-02-19  0:00     ` Piercarlo Grandi
1997-02-19  0:00     ` Piercarlo Grandi
1997-02-18  0:00   ` Definition of "operator" (was: OO, C++, and something much better!) Jon S Anthony
1997-02-18  0:00   ` OO, C++, and something much better! Bernard Badger
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1997-02-24  0:00     ` Piercarlo Grandi
1997-02-22  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1997-02-22  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1997-02-25  0:00     ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1997-02-22  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1997-02-22  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1997-02-22  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1997-02-23  0:00   ` Definition of "operator" (was: OO, C++, and something much better!) Richard Katz
1997-02-24  0:00     ` David L. Shang
1997-02-25  0:00   ` OO, C++, and something much better! Jon S Anthony
1997-02-25  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
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