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Date: 7 Jun 93 22:34:02 GMT
From: agate!howland.reston.ans.net!darwin.sura.net!seas.gwu.edu!mfeldman@ucbvax
.Berkeley.EDU  (Michael Feldman)
Subject: Re: Non-defense Ada applications - answering several requests
Message-ID: <1993Jun7.223402.22394@seas.gwu.edu>
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In article <SRCTRAN.93Jun6214314@world.std.com> srctran@world.std.com (Gregory 
Aharonian) writes:
>
>	I have a suggestion for you.  Go thru the help wanted ads looking
>for companies hiring Ada programmers.  Usually from the job description
>you can tell what the company is doing with Ada.  In theory, this method
>should be quite effective in finding non-Mandated applications.  Hiring
>patterns have long been an important indicator of corporate behavior for
>a variety of business practices.  They might not say publicly what they
>are doing, but they have to hire people to do the stuff, and their hiring
>ads must make sure the employee's language background matches the project.

Hey, Greg.  Lighten up. EVERYTHING does not have to be an occasion for
a pi**ing contest. A number of people asked, both privately and publicly
for a copy of my list, so I posted it for everyone. Who said it was
supposed to be a comparative measure? It is merely a list, which I
believe to be the most complete list of non-defense Ada projects in
existence. I am not making value judgments or comparisons. Each reader
can use her judgment as to whether this list shows "enough" projects,
"too many", or "too few."

Every now and then, it's nice to give people access to a few _facts_,
uninterpreted. Net readers are big boys and girls (mostly boys, at it
happens...), and I don't need to beat them over the head with a sermon
all the time.

>   But Mike, and Lloyd, and all you other true believers of Ada, if you
>make such a detailed survey, you will find the ratio of C/C++ to Ada jobs
>to be fifty to one.  Which is probably a measure of Ada use in the
>non-Mandated world.  If you make the survey.  If you care.

Tell you what, Greg. You do the C/C++ one. I've done my share. Actually,
I'm rather tired of being labeled. You and I have exchanged a lot of
opinions, publicly and privately. Neither you nor anyone else is in
the dark about where I come down on the state of the Ada "market", the
DoD's support for same, and the vendors' support for same. I don't
like being flamed publicly for volunteering my time to collect facts.
Get a life.

Enough.

BTW-don't flame me for shortening my sig. I got flamed when it was "too long."
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