From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,52fd60a337c05842 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2002-06-15 10:32:16 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: gautier_niouzes@hotmail.com (Gautier) Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: The 1980 ACM Turing Award Lecture The Emperor's Old Clothes Date: 15 Jun 2002 10:32:16 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Message-ID: <17cd177c.0206150932.61201714@posting.google.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 217.162.208.21 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1024162336 14812 127.0.0.1 (15 Jun 2002 17:32:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Jun 2002 17:32:16 GMT Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:26031 Date: 2002-06-15T17:32:16+00:00 List-Id: > >(however, it's amusing to read it with today's eyes, > >especially what happened to the minimalist creations > >coming from ivory towers) Lyle McKennot: > Hoare's own CSP did become very influential though. > > It is the third most cited computer science reference listed by > ResearchIndex. Hopefully, good ideas come from ivory towers! The issue is the concretisation. Back to the lecture: what is better for whom (language creators or programmers) ? (1) a large language that one can subset if needed (2) a small language that one can extend if needed For using (1) the design has to be excellent. Making (1) is completely out of reach of the "ivory tower". The obvious weakness of (2) is the incompatibility between extensions and standard libraries. ________________________________________________________ Gautier -- http://www.mysunrise.ch/users/gdm/gsoft.htm NB: For a direct answer, address on the Web site!