From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: 103376,5db2a4f776607ef6 X-Google-NewGroupId: yes X-Google-Attributes: gida07f3367d7,domainid0,public,usenet X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit Received: by 10.68.231.138 with SMTP id tg10mr741186pbc.7.1332257828162; Tue, 20 Mar 2012 08:37:08 -0700 (PDT) Path: kz5ni12712pbc.0!nntp.google.com!news2.google.com!postnews.google.com!glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: Ludovic Brenta Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Ada advocacy Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2012 08:13:09 -0700 (PDT) Organization: http://groups.google.com Message-ID: <14522529.4561.1332256389697.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vbtv42> References: <19595886.4450.1332248078686.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vbbfy7> <29453293.5949.1332254378181.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vbiz13> NNTP-Posting-Host: 153.98.68.197 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Trace: posting.google.com 1332257828 26788 127.0.0.1 (20 Mar 2012 15:37:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2012 15:37:08 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <29453293.5949.1332254378181.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vbiz13> Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=153.98.68.197; posting-account=pcLQNgkAAAD9TrXkhkIgiY6-MDtJjIlC User-Agent: G2/1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Date: 2012-03-20T08:13:09-07:00 List-Id: Marc C wrote on comp.lang.ada: > tonyg wrote: >> I am currently fending off an attempt to have my project converted from >> ADA to some un named monstrosity of a language. Reasons listed are > >> programmers can not be found > > This one is a pet peeve of mine. Has the project/company actually tried > *looking* for Ada programmers? If they don't seek, of course they're not > going to find. I regularly run into programmers who worked with Ada, > liked it, but ended having to move onto other languages. Given the > opportunity to go back to it, not a few would, they *just don't know of > any available openings*! > > And if an organization does deign to advertise, don't expect an Ada > developer to take a 25% pay cut and move their family across the country > just for the privilege. We're good engineers, dammit, recognizing talent > and developing with Ada will get you a lot. > > (Oh, and by what metric is Ada *2012* "archaic"? Python dates from 1989, > C++ from 1979, and the likely monstrosity, Java, dates from 1991. The > *youngest* of these is over 20 years old. Don't give me no "archaic" BS.) +1 Some more ammo: http://qa.debian.org/popcon-graph.php?packages=gnat+gnat-4.1+gnat-4.3+gnat-4.4+gnat-4.5+gnat-4.6&show_installed=on&want_legend=on&from_date=&to_date=&hlght_date=&date_fmt=%25Y-%25m&beenhere=1 This shows that the number of people using gnat on Debian is increasing. The current number is approximately 1000 (blue line: installations of the gnat-4.4 package). This is how many machines: - run Debian (not a derivative like Ubuntu!) - *and* have gnat-4.4 installed - *and* enrolled in the Debian popularity contest - *and* are connected to the internet. The overall number of Ada programmers must be at least a couple orders of magnitude larger. -- Ludovic Brenta.