From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_20,INVALID_DATE autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rpi!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!helios!garys From: garys@cs.tamu.edu (Gary W Smith) Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: ada-c++ productivity Message-ID: <13570@helios.TAMU.EDU> Date: 21 Mar 91 15:26:37 GMT References: <668465900@ <20600089@inmet> Sender: usenet@helios.TAMU.EDU Organization: Computer Science Department, Texas A&M University List-Id: My own personal experiences on the matter: => I used to work for General Dynamics on F-16 avionics. This was pre-Ada Jovial but I think the arguments apply to Ada as well. I (and 30 others) spent over a year on thinks such as a specifications document, requirements document, design document, building a prototype in Pascal, PDL, etc. before we even started thinking about coding in Jovial. The actual coding took less than 2 months, followed by an extensive code review and test period. Some of these self-employed, academic people just don't understand the development process for defense projects. <= I do feel, however, that there is a certain amount of waste in the process. For the most part, the defense dept./GD feel that 2167A is a concrete rule that must be followed. What I want to know is where has it been shown that a document-driven waterfall model is the *best* process to follow in the design of software. Another problem that I saw at GD was the amount of charging. The Air Force paid by the hour. GD was under no pressure to keep the hours down and their basic solution to any problem was to hire more people. I realize that a lot of this does not hold anymore with the recent layoffs at GD. I was there during the Reagan buildups and when local boy Jim Wright was still big in the House. - gary -- "Eliminate the whole degree-and-grading system and then you'll get real education." Robert M. Pirsig - Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance