From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Received: by 10.224.185.201 with SMTP id cp9mr11692714qab.6.1364395631891; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 07:47:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.50.178.244 with SMTP id db20mr1080951igc.12.1364395631820; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 07:47:11 -0700 (PDT) Path: border1.nntp.ams3.giganews.com!border1.nntp.ams2.giganews.com!border3.nntp.ams.giganews.com!border1.nntp.ams.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!xlned.com!feeder7.xlned.com!news.glorb.com!t2no21988867qal.0!news-out.google.com!k8ni11100qas.0!nntp.google.com!ca1no12528696qab.0!postnews.google.com!glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 07:47:11 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <9b6dnawcsYaRSs_MRVn_vwA@giganews.com> Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=69.20.190.126; posting-account=lJ3JNwoAAAAQfH3VV9vttJLkThaxtTfC NNTP-Posting-Host: 69.20.190.126 References: <87wqsuo13u.fsf@atmarama.net> <5752e888-09a3-4c2b-b37c-fa18b0207c95@googlegroups.com> <9b6dnawcsYaRSs_MRVn_vwA@giganews.com> User-Agent: G2/1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <129ee6c7-8614-4974-8660-d47b1398c955@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Ada 2005 vs Ada 2012 From: Shark8 Injection-Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 14:47:11 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Original-Bytes: 3488 Xref: number.nntp.dca.giganews.com comp.lang.ada:180807 Date: 2013-03-27T07:47:11-07:00 List-Id: On Wednesday, March 27, 2013 5:24:59 AM UTC-6, Peter C. Chapin wrote: > On 03/27/2013 04:48 AM, Maciej Sobczak wrote: >=20 > > Merging these two together even in the form of two-volume book, but wit= h a single title "Programming in Ada 2012" could look better on bookshelves= as the message to prospective buyer is different. Who's going to buy "Prog= ramming in Ada 2005" today? For today's fresh graduates, for example, year = 2005 is a distant history, long before they went to university. Stone age, = that is. How is that going to compete with all the buzzwords that they are = exposed to nowadays? > > > > Even if it is barely a marketing issue, it should not be neglected. Not= e that the direct competition, C++11, is starting to hit the shelves at boo= kstores. Ada2012 looks much better than Ada2005 in this context, so I'd arg= ue for a title refresh, even if it could be just a cover replacement. >=20 >=20 > I suspect John is aware of these issues. I agree that a new title is=20 > sexier and that's important. Personally I have to believe it would be=20 > possible to trim back the current book enough to make space for the new= =20 > Ada 2012 material. It's not like Ada 2012 increased the size of the=20 > language by 50%. >=20 > That said, one of the attractions of the Barnes book is its=20 > comprehensiveness. Trimming back material would potentially take away=20 > from that. I agree with you about the possibility of trimming things back. The difficu= lty there, as I see it, is that several separate-but-related concepts would= have to be overlayed and to do that he'd need to rearrange the order of in= troduction of certain concepts. {Ex. introducing packages, subprograms, and= records very early so that parametrization/genericicity may be introduced = on all of them at once.} There could be advantages to showing such similar concepts together, but it= seems like it would be very hard to do it well so those advantages played = to rather than being accidentally stumbled upon by certain readers.