From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, REPLYTO_WITHOUT_TO_CC autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: 103376,703c4f68db81387d X-Google-Thread: 109fba,703c4f68db81387d X-Google-Thread: 115aec,703c4f68db81387d X-Google-Thread: f43e6,703c4f68db81387d X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,gid109fba,gid115aec,gidf43e6,public X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII Path: g2news1.google.com!news1.google.com!proxad.net!freenix!talisker.lacave.net!lacave.net!feeder.xsnews.nl!feeder.news-service.com!post.news-service.com!news1.surfino.com!not-for-mail Message-Id: <1270638.4frgjhGi3c@linux1.krischik.com> From: Martin Krischik Subject: Re: Teaching new tricks to an old dog (C++ -->Ada) Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada,comp.lang.c++,comp.realtime,comp.software-eng Reply-To: martin@krischik.com Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 10:39:29 +0100 References: <4229bad9$0$1019$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> <1110032222.447846.167060@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <871xau9nlh.fsf@insalien.org> <3SjWd.103128$Vf.3969241@news000.worldonline.dk> <87r7iu85lf.fsf@insalien.org> <1110052142.832650@athnrd02> <1110284070.410136.205090@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> <395uqaF5rhu2mU1@individual.net> <1110329098.642196@athnrd02> <1110361741.551255@athnrd02> <422edaec$0$26554$9b4e6d93@newsread4.arcor-online.net> <1111464133.508323@athnrd02> <1111508368.393411.6450@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <1111522653.164049@athnrd02> <9Gi0e.815$FN4.52@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com> <25875118.D6KecKHI6J@linux1.krischik.com> <1111665559.548750@athnrd02> <1111693813.9HLlaHQRYx@linux1.krischik.com> <3ag5gvF687thuU1@individual.net> Organization: None User-Agent: KNode/0.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8Bit X-Complaints-To: abuse@surfino.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 83.169.175.19 (83.169.175.19) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 11:00:19 +0100 X-Trace: 256404243e133f60c0ab609994 Xref: g2news1.google.com comp.lang.ada:9977 comp.lang.c++:47195 comp.realtime:1714 comp.software-eng:5326 Date: 2005-03-25T10:39:29+01:00 List-Id: Juli�n Albo wrote: > Martin Krischik wrote: > >>>> All very well, only I know C++ programmers which had 2 to 7+ years >>>> experience in C++ and did not know about it until I told them. And not >>>> just one programmer: the whole team of about 20! >>> >>> Perhaps it was in the pre-standard era? :-)) I do not think there is any >>> intermediate level C++ programmer that does not know virtual bases. >> >> They started off in the pre-standard area an never learned any new >> tricks ;-) . However the pre-standard IBM compiler they used was >> advanced enough to have virtual base classes and I used them alot. > > In this type of discussions people always does the same: in the langauage > they like they talk about all features they know and the most recent > version of the language is considered, in the language they dislike, only > the most commonly used features are taken into account, and 'but many > people still use old versions' is mentioned. In a language the best > paractices are suppossed to be used for anything in the world, in the > other one talk about the worse programmers and programs they have seen. You are right. Most languages come together now: Fortran 2003 ist object orientated, C99 got dynamic arrays, Ada 2005 got an STL clone. And to most of us none of it is available right now :-( . Mind you: I have got all three ISO standards for Ada, C and C++. And I do take an interest in all of them. And the "never learned any new tricks" is taken from real live experience. Not a theoretical argument: It actualy realy happend. Martin -- mailto://krischik@users.sourceforge.net Ada programming at: http://ada.krischik.com