From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: 103376,a9b0810d3106d9b8 X-Google-NewGroupId: yes X-Google-Attributes: gida07f3367d7,domainid0,public,usenet X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit Path: g2news1.google.com!news4.google.com!feeder1-2.proxad.net!proxad.net!feeder1-1.proxad.net!ecngs!feeder2.ecngs.de!newsfeed.kpn.net!pfeed09.wxs.nl!npeer.de.kpn-eurorings.net!npeer-ng0.de.kpn-eurorings.net!newsfeed.arcor.de!newsspool4.arcor-online.net!news.arcor.de.POSTED!not-for-mail User-Agent: NewsTap/3.2 (iPad) From: Georg Bauhaus Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <1200013067325369020.305108rm-host.bauhaus-maps.arcor.de@news.arcor.de> Subject: Re: Fun with C References: <9j18r6hrlf06adfv4rdothhdrjmfdrmeno@4ax.com> Date: 24 Apr 2011 20:37:48 GMT Organization: Arcor NNTP-Posting-Date: 24 Apr 2011 22:37:48 CEST NNTP-Posting-Host: 230e1ff9.newsspool1.arcor-online.net X-Trace: DXC=KSESaESmmX3nBOkdL^Lo7>ic==]BZ:af>4Fo<]lROoR1<`=YMgDjhg2834lQIi\\i0PCY\c7>ejV85;i4kkc8j@ Peter C. Chapin wrote: > It would be an interesting experiment to try that, but I'm not sure it > would help in the long run. In later courses I want them to write programs > that compile and work so they will need to deal with that issue sooner or > later. Which is easier to teach first? It's unclear. one thing seems certain, though. (1) it is students who should learn all those things. (2) "we" know a certain minimum if things that must be understood in order for the whole to make "sense" from (1) it follows that we can inquire into what students already know. from (1) it follows that we can ask professionals for help with what they can possibly grasp (amount and diversity of information, for example) Then build a formal model, approximate, of learning capacity. >From (2), it follows that there exists a model of computation that is didactically complete. (Meyer writes about such a model.) The choice of subjects and languages, then, is a matter of matching the two above. It is a good hint IMHO that our masters learned how to program computers that were a lot simpler than a PC! And do not start introductions to the basics of computing by giving detailed explanations of 7 segment displays.