From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FORGED_GMAIL_RCVD, FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: 103376,f49c8f164340c377 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public,usenet X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit Path: g2news2.google.com!postnews.google.com!g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: Maciej Sobczak Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Current status of Ada? Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2007 05:35:48 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Message-ID: <1188822948.182134.218960@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> References: <7744bf.vg4.ln@hunter.axlog.fr> <1188580722.187449.288030@m37g2000prh.googlegroups.com> <46dbeaba$0$24583$4d3efbfe@news.sover.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 137.138.37.241 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1188822948 29915 127.0.0.1 (3 Sep 2007 12:35:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 12:35:48 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <46dbeaba$0$24583$4d3efbfe@news.sover.net> User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.0.12) Gecko/20070724 Red Hat/1.5.0.12-0.3.slc3 Firefox/1.5.0.12,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com; posting-host=137.138.37.241; posting-account=ps2QrAMAAAA6_jCuRt2JEIpn5Otqf_w0 Xref: g2news2.google.com comp.lang.ada:1691 Date: 2007-09-03T05:35:48-07:00 List-Id: On 3 Wrz, 13:06, "Peter C. Chapin" wrote: > I should think that given a choice between a person who > knows C and nothing but C, and a person who has written non-trivial code > in C, Ada, Java, and (say) Lisp, the second person would be more likely > to be a better programmer... or a better software engineer. And likely more expensive for that matter. This scares off the HR types like hell. Being able to get a bunch of C/Java/whatever coders freshly out of college has significant cost implications. Yes, I know that good software engineer can be actually cheaper in the long run, but just think about it from the point of view of the company that is contracted for *time*. All this mess is actually the result of the defective economy model that we widely practice. (It is also the same kind of mental defect that drives toy producers to outsorce their factories to China - just to discover later on that millions of their products are toxic or otherwise dangerous to kids.) Until *this* is fixed, there is no hope for wide adoption of high-integrity production techniques, whether it is software or anything else. {oh, wait - is it comp.lang.ada.and.anything.else? :-) } -- Maciej Sobczak http://www.msobczak.com/