From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_05 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: 103376,7bb826ef912955b6 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public,usenet X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit Path: g2news2.google.com!postnews.google.com!m37g2000prh.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: "jimmaureenrogers@worldnet.att.net" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: state of Ada / Paige memo Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 18:45:16 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Message-ID: <1188524716.464116.221000@m37g2000prh.googlegroups.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 76.25.43.18 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1188524717 30466 127.0.0.1 (31 Aug 2007 01:45:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 01:45:17 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.6) Gecko/20070725 Firefox/2.0.0.6,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: m37g2000prh.googlegroups.com; posting-host=76.25.43.18; posting-account=ps2QrAMAAAA6_jCuRt2JEIpn5Otqf_w0 Xref: g2news2.google.com comp.lang.ada:1614 Date: 2007-08-30T18:45:16-07:00 List-Id: On Aug 30, 6:48 pm, Gary Scott wrote: > > I deal with DOD a lot. I don't think this is generally true. Industry > rebellion had something to do with it (ready trained supply of C > programmers (er hackers)). I have also had some experience with the DoD. Industry rebellion is not a valid excuse. DoD Purchasing Organizations can easily require cost and quality analyses of chosen tools, including programming languages. The fact that they do not is an indication that contracts are often produced and supervised by very junior officers with little or no experience in the field. Those officers learn are taught their jobs by interacting with the Industry contractors. Those contractors are adept at feeding loads of bovine excrement to the junior officers as though it was real information. Similar problems arise in NASA contracts. Most of the engineers who built human-rated space vehicles for NASA are retired or dead. The current crop of NASA engineers relies upon its contractors to create requirements. Those contractors make more money when a project requires change orders due to faulty requirements, faulty design, faulty implementation, and schedule slips than they do by producing the desired product according to the original contract. Many (not all) contractors do not want to use a reliable language when more money can be made using an unreliable language. Jim Rogers