From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FORGED_GMAIL_RCVD, FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: 103376,fc52c633190162e0 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit Path: g2news1.google.com!postnews.google.com!o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: "Harald Korneliussen" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: why learn C? Date: 1 Apr 2007 23:04:29 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Message-ID: <1175493869.811347.116280@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> References: <1172144043.746296.44680@m58g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> <1172161751.573558.24140@h3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <546qkhF1tr7dtU1@mid.individual.net> <5ZULh.48$YL5.40@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net> <1175215906.645110.217810@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com> <1175230700.925143.28490@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> <6XbPh.4025$u03.802@newssvr21.news.prodigy.net> <1175491660.511530.58430@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.184.192.82 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1175493871 5294 127.0.0.1 (2 Apr 2007 06:04:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 06:04:31 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <1175491660.511530.58430@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; nb-NO; rv:1.8.1.3) Gecko/20070309 Firefox/2.0.0.3,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com; posting-host=213.184.192.82; posting-account=5vUApw0AAADF5Kx_4-L9ZPdL9lZywYoQ Xref: g2news1.google.com comp.lang.ada:14718 Date: 2007-04-01T23:04:29-07:00 List-Id: To ensure that minimal safety guidelines are in fact followed in C++, and not just stand there on some piece of paper, you need a programmable static analyzer a la Coverity, Klocwork, etc. The template system can be (ab)used to do static checking for you in some cases (you mention units), but not all - you can't ensure that the elaborately constructed safe functions are actually used, for instance. But if you already need a programmable static analyzer, couldn't you use it to get the checks through that instead of templates? I dare say you don't need a big static analyzer of that kind to make type safe Ada. (concering "power", the C preprosessor is also turing-complete, which means that there probably is a way to use that for type safe units as well.)