From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FORGED_GMAIL_RCVD, FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: 103376,e7d9fee9b42cd34e X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit Path: g2news2.google.com!postnews.google.com!f6g2000cwb.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: "Anh Vo" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Not null feature with anonymous and named access types Date: 14 Jun 2006 20:48:28 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Message-ID: <1150343308.372654.225640@f6g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> References: <1150144396.104055.164310@f6g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <6_kjg.4603$E02.1474@newsb.telia.net> <1150154013.951160.154270@j55g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <15d5p0cbyr817.1vzzowtu2dayj$.dlg@40tude.net> <1150212476.630345.297100@c74g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <4fana1F1i8fppU1@individual.net> <1150299433.315551.41490@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <18lx513zr1o49.lpffjwx41xi4.dlg@40tude.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 71.146.104.132 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: posting.google.com 1150343313 17453 127.0.0.1 (15 Jun 2006 03:48:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 03:48:33 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <18lx513zr1o49.lpffjwx41xi4.dlg@40tude.net> User-Agent: G2/0.2 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: f6g2000cwb.googlegroups.com; posting-host=71.146.104.132; posting-account=JVr7Xg0AAAAI3MbuARxMmvWLmA7qdJMx Xref: g2news2.google.com comp.lang.ada:4780 Date: 2006-06-14T20:48:28-07:00 List-Id: Dmitry A. Kazakov wrote: > On 14 Jun 2006 08:37:13 -0700, Anh Vo wrote: > > via *this* pointer, which does not mean that it cannot be reclaimed at all. > Consider trivial stack allocated aliased variable. I am afraid I do not understand "this* pointer means. What I was talking about not null access object using heap memory, not aliased variable at all. See my code snipet from my original post. > No, you just don't use not-null pointers where deallocation is possible / > necessary. That's the very idea of not-null pointers. I weight memory leak more important than convenient way of using null excluded pointer. I am fine with not null pointer pointing to an aliased object. In this case, attemptingp to deallocate the pointer is clearly a language violation. > For example, consider an implementation of a container. Its public > operation Get_Element could return a not-null pointer to the element, > ensuring two things: 1. the client will never get a null (so no need to > check it) 2. the client will never be able to deallocate the element > through the pointer returned. Internally the implementation may allocate > and deallocate elements using other pointers. So another operation > Remove_Element_By_Index would do it. > > [It is still unsafe, as any aliasing is, yet definitely better than > nullable pointers.] There is no disagreement here. AV